Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-26 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
Ray, This is exactly how we installed many 10 and 12' fiberglass C-band satellite antennas back in the 80's in Tulsa. None ever came down in tornado alley. I recommend this method of pole mounting in Mexico due to frequent theft. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems (928) 342-9103 O

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-25 Thread Allan Sindelar
Drake, Sorry, but I'm the wrong one to ask. I guess I wasn't clear: I haven't done any off-grid adjustable roof-mounted arrays in recent years. DP&W Power-Fab was the best I found way back when. Allan Allan Sindelar al...@positiveenerg

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-25 Thread Allan Sindelar
We too are suddenly faced with a requirement for an engineer's stamp on foundation drawings for pole-top racks. This new requirement just rankles my craw (an _expression_ from our great-grandfathers' time...). This is even though DP&W (our preferred pole top rack manufac

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-25 Thread Allan Sindelar
William, In the photo that you attached to your post, while the legs were nonadjustable, you had used the same UniRac Solarmount hardware that is so problematic when set up to be adjustable. The twirl nut can easily be loosened too far, until it loses its alignment in th

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-25 Thread R Ray Walters
Another method I've used in the past, is to set a 20 ft pole right next to the house in concrete, then attach it to the house or rafter tails with unistrut and clamp. I'll usually use a 4 ft piece to spread the load out over at least three structural members. Then the pole extends 4 to 6 ft abo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Exeltech
> In a hurricane, theory goes out the window. Or through it .. if it's even still there. (Apologies all. Engineering humor.) Dan --- On Sat, 3/24/12, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > From: Jason Szumlanski > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
With the change to ASCE 7-10, the uplift calcs are not that much more, and in some cases less, but I think in any case the concern is wind-borne debris. If the mod stays attached to the roof, we are good. Having lived through it, it's all theory anyway. In a hurricane, theory goes out the window.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
Many inland areas in California, Oregon, and Washington are 85 mph zones. I think that's the lowest requirement anywhere in the U.S. I can't imagine designing for 185 mph winds. Doesn't that just blow the glass out of the modules? Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Oh, to have 85 mph winds. Code changes just brought us up to 180 mph design wind speeds in Southwest Florida. Yay. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: > William, > > There are auger mounted systems that don't require any concrete. For > locations wit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
William, There are auger mounted systems that don't require any concrete. For locations with suitable soil, they probably save some time and are a little less expensive than concrete. But it takes a substantial structure to withstand 85 mph, or greater, winds. There's no getting around the ph

[RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread William Miller
Daryl: Thanks for the photos and description of the mounts you are installing. We have installed many of the DPW ground mount systems in similar configurations. http://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/Portfolio/ground-mount/engineered_ground_mount.jpg We are realizing two things: 1. Concrete fo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-24 Thread Drake
-- -Original Message- From: <mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org>re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of William Miller Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 2:21 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off-gr

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
I am sure they have their reason but I have used them at that angle. The jobs in Mexico don't ever get inspected but I've not had any failure. BTW, I also build my own structure using KEE products (like this: http://www.simplifiedbuilding.com/store/components/kee-klamp.html) and galvanized stee

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread William Miller
Larry: Are you sure they go up to 45 degrees? I looked at the web site this morning and it indicated a maximum of 30 degrees. Thanks, William At 08:36 AM 3/23/2012, you wrote: We use Unirac ULA. Good quality. We have winter use only systems in Mexico so we set the arrays high for best pro

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread William Miller
What do you do for a foundation? thanks, William At 04:05 AM 3/23/2012, penobscotso...@midmaine.com wrote: We use Direct Power and Water racking for ground mounts. They're engineered for 90/120 mph winds, depending on where you're installing. The two tier mounting is especially nice. _

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread Allan Sindelar
To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount   Friends:   I am curious about what the rest of you are using for off-grid ground mount racks.   We need a tilt angle of 45 degrees.   Thanks i

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread penobscotsolar
We use Direct Power and Water racking for ground mounts. They're engineered for 90/120 mph winds, depending on where you're installing. The two tier mounting is especially nice. > Friends: > > I am curious about what the rest of you are using for off-grid ground > mount > racks. We need a til

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
We use Unirac ULA. Good quality. We have winter use only systems in Mexico so we set the arrays high for best production in January. You should have no problem with 45°. Larry Crutcher Starlight Solar Power Systems (928) 342-9103 On Mar 23, 2012, at 12:21 AM, William Miller wrote: Friends:

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread Solarguy
:21 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount Friends: I am curious about what the rest of you are using for off-grid ground mount racks. We need a tilt angle of 45 degrees. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Been using Unirac U-LA for years with HD Solarmount rails. Not the cheapest, but I'm very happy with the product support and quality. 10-25 degrees is my range of experience, though. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Mar 23, 2012, at 3:21 AM, William Miller wrote: > Friends: > > I am curious abou

[RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount

2012-03-23 Thread William Miller
Friends: I am curious about what the rest of you are using for off-grid ground mount racks. We need a tilt angle of 45 degrees. Thanks in advance. William Miller Miller Solar Voice :805-438-5600 email: will...@millersolar.com http://millersolar.com License No. C-10-773985 ___