[RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread William Miller
Daryl: Thanks for the photos and description of the mounts you are installing. We have installed many of the DPW ground mount systems in similar configurations. http://millersolar.com/MillerSolar/Portfolio/ground-mount/engineered_ground_mount.jpg We are realizing two things: 1. Concrete fo

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
William, There are auger mounted systems that don't require any concrete. For locations with suitable soil, they probably save some time and are a little less expensive than concrete. But it takes a substantial structure to withstand 85 mph, or greater, winds. There's no getting around the ph

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
Oh, to have 85 mph winds. Code changes just brought us up to 180 mph design wind speeds in Southwest Florida. Yay. Jason Szumlanski Fafco Solar On Mar 24, 2012, at 5:05 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: > William, > > There are auger mounted systems that don't require any concrete. For > locations wit

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Kent Osterberg
Many inland areas in California, Oregon, and Washington are 85 mph zones. I think that's the lowest requirement anywhere in the U.S. I can't imagine designing for 185 mph winds. Doesn't that just blow the glass out of the modules? Kent Osterberg Blue Mountain Solar, Inc. www.bluemountainsolar.c

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Jason Szumlanski
With the change to ASCE 7-10, the uplift calcs are not that much more, and in some cases less, but I think in any case the concern is wind-borne debris. If the mod stays attached to the roof, we are good. Having lived through it, it's all theory anyway. In a hurricane, theory goes out the window.

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-24 Thread Exeltech
> In a hurricane, theory goes out the window. Or through it .. if it's even still there. (Apologies all. Engineering humor.) Dan --- On Sat, 3/24/12, Jason Szumlanski wrote: > From: Jason Szumlanski > Subject: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper >

Re: [RE-wrenches] Off-grid ground mount: Can it be done cheaper

2012-03-25 Thread Allan Sindelar
We too are suddenly faced with a requirement for an engineer's stamp on foundation drawings for pole-top racks. This new requirement just rankles my craw (an _expression_ from our great-grandfathers' time...). This is even though DP&W (our preferred pole top rack manufac