Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-20 Thread Jeff Oldham
One of my favorite marriages is a solar ready (preheat) tankless and a ProgressivTube SHW collector. With this combo you get batch type collector that is storing the heated water, a 10 yr. PL warranty, and no pumps, sensors or controls on the SDHW side. I double insulate the supply and return

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-18 Thread Bill Loesch
more heat. Class out. Enjoy the weekend. Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: Kristopher Schmid To: 'RE-wrenches' Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW Wayne, Your statement

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-18 Thread Bill Loesch
, September 17, 2010 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW In our area of so cal, gas water heaters with SWH last as long as fifteen years no problem, and 20+ years is not uncommon - w/o anode rode redo. But the ODWHs with which I am familiar usually need de-liming

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread Bill Loesch
configurations. Bill Loesch Solar 1 - Saint Louis Solar - Original Message - From: Peter Parrish peter.parr...@calsolareng.com To: 'RE-wrenches' re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW You’re right, Todd

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread Kristopher Schmid
-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Todd Cory Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 1:55 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW The payback on a demand heater in energy savings is like 50+ years. A traditional tank heater, super insulated has very little loss

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread Wayne Irwin
. From: sol...@legacysolar.com To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW It all depends on whether you are talking financial payback or wise energy use. The people who use the least amount of hot water

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread Kristopher Schmid
] On Behalf Of Wayne Irwin Sent: Friday, September 17, 2010 9:40 AM To: Wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW In our off grid home I installed a Rinnai propane tank less to support the double pump drain-back system and have had no problems. The tips that I suggest

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread toddcory
repairable unit - you don't have to trash it every seven years (reported national average) My tank is 20 years old now. I change the anode every 3 years. Todd Sent from Finest Planet WebMail. ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-17 Thread Wayne Irwin
-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 11:12:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW Message body Wayne, Your statement that The unit will turn off automatically once input water temp reaches its programed output temp. seems to contradict

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Bill Loesch
-wrenches.org Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW Bill and Peter, I stand corrected. Tankless units do not modulate to zero. What a shame. My Takagi needs AC power to the exhaust fan in order to operate. I will be installing an aquastat

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Bill Loesch
Kris, My apologies, my reference to your simplistic approach should have read your simple approach. Bill My compliments on your simplistic approach to coordinate the solar storage tank and tankless. Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Peter Parrish
...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Todd Cory Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW I know this was not the question, but this whole thread is predicated on the use

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Darryl Thayer
customers, that the system will work with the standard design, but if they want to install a On Demand, I am out of the loop.  Darry;    --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Todd Cory toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: From: Todd Cory toddc...@finestplanet.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread Todd Cory
: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:17 AM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW I know this was not the question, but this whole thread is predicated on the use of a demand hot water heater. Unless there is a space limitation, why would this be done over a traditional tank u

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-16 Thread jay peltz
with the standard design, but if they want to install a On Demand, I am out of the loop. Darry; --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Todd Cory toddc...@finestplanet.com wrote: From: Todd Cory toddc...@finestplanet.com Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-15 Thread Kristopher Schmid
14, 2010 7:29 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW Peter, With all due respect, if you are only doing one SDHW system a year you might want to consider hiring (subcontracting) someone who does keep up with at least current technology and preferably state

[RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-14 Thread Peter Parrish
We have a SDHW client that wants to replace his old water heater with a new tankless water heater. We do a SDHW system about once a year, and only for clients that are getting a PV system from us to begin with. So this is not a big business line for us and we are behind the curve in terms of

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-14 Thread Kristopher Schmid
...@legacysolar.com www.legacysolar.com -Original Message- From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Peter Parrish Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:37 AM To: 'RE-wrenches' Subject: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

Re: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW

2010-09-14 Thread Bill Loesch
10:37 AM Subject: [RE-wrenches] On Demand Heaters for SDHW We have a SDHW client that wants to replace his old water heater with a new tankless water heater. We do a SDHW system about once a year, and only for clients that are getting a PV system from us to begin with. So this is not a big