[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-16 Thread Hilton Dier III
I believe my PV-water-heating friend has an Outback in diversion mode, so the charge profile is stepped, as Conrad noted. He has a 4 kW PV system and a frugal household, so in the summer it takes care of about a third of his DHW needs. Hilton -- Hilton Dier III Renewable Energy Design

[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-16 Thread Ross Taylor
You mean like this? http://www.ngeus.com/SunBandit.aspx ___ List sponsored by Home Power magazine List Address: RE-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Change email address settings: http://lists.re-wrenches.org/options.cgi/re-wrenches-re-wrenches.org

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-16 Thread Luke Christy
Hi Wrenches, Thanks for your input. I agree that the PV water heating setup as I presented it has some obvious issues. However, as PV folks I think we all have a gut-level aversion to using PV energy for heating of any kind. As modules continue to get get cheaper I think some heating

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-15 Thread conrad geyser
. Ice lasts for a week. Works pissah. Conrad Cotuit Solar From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Allan Sindelar Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:24 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water

[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Steven Lawrence
Luke, Most tankless hot water heaters can't accept pre-heated water. Some of them can, but even still these have a minimum heat input into the water. You may run into a situation where you have 105F water into the tankless and the thing won't fire up due to safety reasons (can't put out 130F or

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Dave Click
At SPI last year there was at least one company offering this, and there's another company from Tallahassee also looking into it: www.usa-eds.com I'm not an expert by any means but I think that even 120F doesn't kill legionella-- you need to get to 140F. And even if you do 140F, I imagine

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread David Katz
Hi Luke I am doing this with a 1200 watt array that is AC coupled to my off grid home inverter. I am using an SMA 1800 inverter because it is 120vac. I use a relay connected to the AC output that connects the 4500 watt water heating element to the AC breaker panel when battery voltage reaches

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2013-05-14 Thread Bill Hoffer
Luke I know that this is different than your off grid situation, but I have a grid connected home with 2.4KW array AC coupled with an 1.8kw Exeltech system to an Outback that has been powering my all electric house to include an electric instant hot water heater ( 2 x 55amp 240 circuits!), I even

[RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Hilton Dier III
A friend of mine lives off grid with PV and wind. He added a shunt-type controller to his battery bank and connected it to a DC heating element in his hot water tank. Below a set voltage the element is dormant. When the battery bank hits a high voltage (at the end of a particularly sunny day

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2013-05-14 Thread Jay Peltz
Hi Hilton What controller did he use? Jay Peltz power Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Hilton Dier III hiltond...@gmail.com wrote: A friend of mine lives off grid with PV and wind. He added a shunt-type controller to his battery bank and connected it to a DC heating

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-14 Thread Allan Sindelar
Hilton, That sounds like a good idea at first glance but a bad one when you dig a bit deeper. In essence he is sacrificing proper absorption on the batteries and will pay the price in reduced battery capacity and life. As soon as the batteries reach the bulk

Re: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating

2013-05-13 Thread Tom Elliot
if they are using water during the day and thus always adding cold water to the tank, would be an exercise in futility and a waste of good PV. Tom From: Luke Christy Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 4:59 PM To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org Subject: [RE-wrenches] PV-direct electric water heating Hi