Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-28 Thread Ray Walters
The HUP is a smaller footprint than L16s because it is a taller battery. We've moded quite a few battery boxes just by raising them and adding a strip of wood at the bottom. R.Ray Walters CTO, Solarray, Inc Nabcep Certified PV Installer, Licensed Master Electrician Solar Design Engineer 303 50

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-28 Thread Drake
For the time being, we replaced the failed Trojan L-16 E to keep the the bank going. We are investigating different options, including the Deka batteries. A limiting factor is the footprint of his battery bank. It is in a vented enclosure in his living space. To expand the footprint would mean

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-27 Thread Allan Sindelar
Following up on this earlier thread, Drake... Now previously knowing these system details, my advice no longer applies, simply because FLA industrial cells don't generally come that small. This is a small bank. If his array is large enough to properly charge a larger bank

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-16 Thread jay
Hi Tump, FYI HUP industrial, on the 12v batteries, use bolted buss bars. But many of the other industrial motive batteries ( like the HUP) are welded. Jay Peltz power > On Dec 16, 2015, at 7:10 AM, Tump wrote: > > Individual 2 volt cells does allow one to bypass that "bad" cell & wait for a

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-16 Thread Drake
Thanks for all the helpful responses. The battery bank is composed of 8 Trojan L-16E batteries in series with around 2.6 kW of PV on an older 48 V Outback system with one VFX 3648 and one MX-60. I did not install the system, but I did supply the faltering bank of replacement L-16s. At 12:37

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-16 Thread Tump
Individual 2 volt cells does allow one to bypass that "bad" cell & wait for a replacement without disabling the whole system. Unfortunately few folks are comfortable or aware how to replace a "welded in place"cell interconnect w/ say a HUP battery. As far as DEKA batteries I recently visited the

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread jay
I agree with Tom here about 2 strings. And I have been told more than a few times in the last 22 years, from battery folks that there is no substitute for lead, in terms of capacity or longevity. Here is a comparison I worked up for a job just the other day and I’ll let you figure out which

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Jerry Shafer
I have used the nickel iron and have hsd great results. If your customer is looking long term it might be an option. They do work better for 48 then 12 due to voltages of the batteries Jerry On Dec 15, 2015 7:26 AM, "Drake" wrote: > Hello Wrenches, > > Even after my clients have learned to mainta

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread tom
Dan, That problem of no AC at remote sites while waiting for replacement batteries is why I always recommend at least two strings paralleled through a buss bar rather than across terminals. That way if one battery or cell fails in one series string you can very easily remove the string from

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Dan Fink
While I also advocate single strings and minimizing parallel strings when off the grid, single strings have one big problem, especially in more remote areas and especially with 6 volt batteries - 1-4 weeks downtime of the whole AC side of the system while waiting for a replacement battery and tryi

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Allan Sindelar
I should add that my response was not intended to implicitly denigrate Surrette. They are good batteries in general. While I have experienced some failures, they have come through with good support when needed. And they also have Steve Higgins as their technical represent

[RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Drake
Hello Wrenches, Even after my clients have learned to maintain their batteries properly, the Trojan L-16 batteries continue to crater, one cell at a time. One client is considering spending $12,000 on a nickel - iron battery bank he found on the web. This seems like a ridiculously large inves

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Howie Michaelson
While I have no experience with HUP, I do have many years of experience with Rolls/Surrette. They are a robust battery, and in my opinion superior to Trojan and other mid-line flavors. I am not as adamant about staying away from L16s as Allan, although I'd whole-heartedly agree with keeping to one

Re: [RE-wrenches] Surrette L-16 battereis

2015-12-15 Thread Allan Sindelar
Drake, Your request is missing specifics so my answer can only be generic. Get away from all L16s. Go to one string of industrial cells. There are numerous well-respected brands. I would put HUPs at about the top. www.hupsolarone.com. Spend some time on this website and i