[RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Kirk Herander
I am in debate with a PE over calculation of low voltage of a series string on a hot day. He insists that an arbitrary high cell temp is factored in, not just ambient temperature. Could someone please give an accepted formula for this calculation? Thanks. I cannot find a clear reference to low volt

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Scott McCalmont
Usually you increase the temperature above ambient by an amount which depends on the mounting method. Close to the roof is +35 degrees C, more than 6 inches above the roof is +30 degrees C, and pole or ground mount is +25 degrees C. Scott On Nov 29, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Kirk Herander wrote: > I

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Comet Systems
As far as I know, the temperature coefficient holds true whether you are increasing or decreasing the temperature around the STC temperature of 25C. Of course, there is going to be a point at which it goes non-linear, but that is not stated. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Scott McCalmont < re-wr

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Darryl Thayer
] calculating low string voltage I am in debate with a PE over calculation of low voltage of a series string on a hot day. He insists that an arbitrary high cell temp is factored in, not just ambient temperature. Could someone please give an accepted formula for this calculation? Thanks. I

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Ray Walters
deg C for most situations. Best I can do from memory. DT *From:* Kirk Herander *To:* RE-wrenches *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:48 PM *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage I am in debate with a PE over calculation of low voltage of a series string on a hot day. He insis

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Exeltech
wrote: From: Scott McCalmont Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage To: "RE-wrenches" Date: Tuesday, November 29, 2011, 1:58 PM Usually you increase the temperature above ambient by an amount which depends on the mounting method. Close to the roof is +35 degrees C,

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Bill Brooks
On Behalf Of Ray Walters Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 2:55 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage I'm prepping for a class on this very subject tonight, so I'll just wrap up everybody's good points: V min = Vmpp x (1- temp diff x Temp coef

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Doug Wells
add 15 deg C for most situations. > > Best I can do from memory. > DT > > From: Kirk Herander > To: RE-wrenches > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:48 PM > Subject: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage > > I am in debate with a PE over calculation of low

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Kent Osterberg
Kirk, You've got some good feedback on this from Ray and Bill. I'll try to add a little more. Most module datasheets show a normal operating cell temperature, NOCT, value that's typically 47.5°C. That's 20°C ambient temperature, 800 W/sq m, and calm wind and nothing blocking the airflow on th

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread b...@midnitesolar.com
If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, bring up partial shading... Or, maybe that's just not allowed in that debate ??Just a thought. boB On 11/29/2011 8:39 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: Kirk, You've got some good feedback on this from Ray and Bill. I'll try to a

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-29 Thread Ray Walters
on spacing between roof and module. I add 15 deg C for most situations. Best I can do from memory. DT *From:* Kirk Herander *To:* RE-wrenches *Sent:* Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:48 PM *Subject:* [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage I am in debate with a PE over calculation of low

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-30 Thread David Brearley
/29/2011 2:07 PM, Darryl Thayer wrote: >>> >>> >>> I am on road so I have no texts with me, but the same formula applies about >>> 0.4% per degree (less voltage) or use the module label voltage coefficent. >>> However you must

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-30 Thread Kirk Herander
: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, bring up partial shading... Or, maybe that's just not allowed in that debate ??Just a thought. boB On 11/29/2011 8:39 PM, Kent Osterberg wrote: Kirk, You'v

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-11-30 Thread Joel Davidson
, November 29, 2011 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, bring up partial shading... Or, maybe that's just not allowed in that debate ??Just a thought. boB On 11/29/2011 8:39 PM,

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Click
Member NYSERDA-eligible Installer VT RE Incentive Program Partner *From:*re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *b...@midnitesolar.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:03 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenche

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Ray Walters
Partner *From:*re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *b...@midnitesolar.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:03 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage If you really want to

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Gary Willett
nt:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:03 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, bring up partial shading... Or, maybe that's just not allowed in that debate ?? Just a thought. boB

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Glenn Burt
...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Ray Walters Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:49 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage That's more detailed info, but I still am wondering what ambient temp to apply (which AHSRAE #) with the temp adder. Daryl suggested

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Dave Click
...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *b...@midnitesolar.com *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 1:03 AM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage If you really want to throw a monkey wrench into the mix, bring up par

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Bill Brooks
ree thanks to SolarABCs. Bill. From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Ray Walters Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:58 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage Fantastic Info everyon

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread David Brearley
will absorb reflected light on the backside, so I >>>>>> assume the cells will operate at a higher temp. But they are elevated >>>>>> enough to simulate a pole-mount, thus lowering operating cell temp. So >>>>>> what operating temp

Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage

2011-12-01 Thread Ray Walters
ches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] *On Behalf Of *Ray Walters *Sent:* Thursday, December 01, 2011 3:58 PM *To:* RE-wrenches *Subject:* Re: [RE-wrenches] calculating low string voltage Fantastic Info everyone, I think I've got a full grasp on this topic now, from using the correct coefficient to the