All,
This message from Matt Paiss shows that the message is getting out:
Bill,
Not only did it go on their homepage, but it got sent out on what they call
their "Secret List", which is not really very secret, as it has a subscriber
base of somewhere near 100,000. Needless to say, my inbox, cell
Don't forget to tell people to let their rural vfd know where their
inverter disconnects are.
REgards,
Ezra Auerbach
(off grid ex volunteer firefighter.
On 8-Jan-09, at 4:18 PM, Dan Fink wrote:
Hi Jay --
What we do for nasty slopes and bad weather is use roof ladders.
Firefighters l
Hi Jay --What we do for nasty slopes and bad weather is use roof ladders. Firefighters ladder conventionally up to the eaves, one secures the ladder and stands at the top, and a roof ladder is passed up from below. It has big hooks on one end that are designed to hook over the roof peak, and they
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Bill.
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From: re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org
[mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of Exeltech
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 7:37 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria?
Yes, it&#
nches"
Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria
As I follow this thread and just got off a 12 and 12 roof, I wondered how
the fire departments deal with roofs you cannot get to easily?
I've seen lots of photos of firefigher
As I follow this thread and just got off a 12 and 12 roof, I wondered
how the fire departments deal with roofs you cannot get to easily?
I've seen lots of photos of firefighers on roofs, but pretty much all
flat roofs or low angle ones.
For example
a metal roof in the wet,
steep roofs
steep
Yes, it's made the rounds (13 total hits using the link Michael provided), but
the entire list of 13 is actually comprised of only six websites.
The originating site has two hits on the list, leaving five sites for the other
11 hits. One site is a BBS, similar to this one and would likely requi
Right, but this piece has made the rounds on the internet.
Check out this Google search
http://tinyurl.com/7amhk4
robert ellison wrote at 05:09 PM 1/7/2009:
>That article has been pulled and a corrected copy is on it's way. I sent them
>a note and got a response almost immediately, another
That article has been pulled and a corrected copy is on it's way. I sent
them a note and got a response almost immediately, another fireman who
teaches fire safety with pv is correcting the inaccuracies. This was a
case of someone being taken as an "expert" who was not.
I just checked and the art
The fire hysteria is relatively easy to deal with - the facts take
care of untruths. As William Miller noted, of greater threat here in
California are the rules being presented by various fire departments
and by the California State Fire Marshall's office.
Among the problems that we have seen (re
Excellent diplomacy (and use of your rolodex) Bill. The industry accross the
country will benefit - thank you (and pass on a big thanks tou your friend
William).
For a brighter energy future,
Geoff Greenfield
Founder and CEO
Third Sun Solar & Wind Power Ltd.
340 West State Street, Unit 2
Seems to me a good place to start setting folks straight is right here. I
couldn't think of a better forum to ask itchy PV safety questions.
So, what is a good way for a half asleep not so overly bright
volunteer firefighter (most likely a kid) to safely neutralize an array in an
emerge
, January 06, 2009 2:51 PM
To: RE-wrenches
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria?
It is good to see several people are trying to put out this fire (pun).
Unfortunately, the internet's memory is almost impossible to purge. I think
that the best corrective action is to ask
t info pops up.
Joel Davidson
From: "Jeff Clearwater, Village Power Design"
To: RE-wrenches
Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2009 11:44:25 AM
Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria?
Nicely done Bill and Matt P !
Hopefully that'
Nicely done Bill and Matt P !
Hopefully that'll set a good precedent for future discussions and
guidelines on this!
Jeff
William and all,
I notified a friend of mine in the fire service about this, and he has
followed up with the website to have the article removed. Here is the thread
wi
William and all,
I notified a friend of mine in the fire service about this, and he has
followed up with the website to have the article removed. Here is the thread
with me and the website:
Note to me:
This article is exactly the same as one I received from a young firefighter
from Orange Count
Steven:
I tried that argument but it did not work for two reasons: 1. The
firefighters need to locate holes directly over the fire to admit
water. If the fire is under the south facing roof, the PV modules are in
the way. 2. The roof vent hole needs to be on the leeward side of the
roof.
Solar panels not exposed to light are not energized.
- Original Message -
From: "Steve Lawrence"
To:
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 2:43 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria?
The source of the article is here
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory
January 05, 2009 2:44 PM
To: re-wrenches@lists.re-wrenches.org
Subject: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria?
The source of the article is here
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?77468
All of the roofs I do only have solar on one side of them. If a
firefighter needed to put a h
7,000 solar roofs by 2030.
Education will help to overcome ignorance, superstition, and fear.
Joel Davidson
- Original Message -
From: "Nicholas Ponzio"
To: "RE-wrenches"
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: [RE-wrenches] fire safety vs. fire hysteria
The source of the article is here
http://firefighterclosecalls.com/fullstory.php?77468
All of the roofs I do only have solar on one side of them. If a
firefighter needed to put a hole in the roof, he'd go to the north side
rather than hacking through glass.
Steven Lawrence
__
I too am a volunteer and the whole thing of a panel still producing power
after an axe goes through it this; yes at first there will be DC voltage
flowing and as soon as a steel axe puts a hole in a module it will make a
serious short and that module will not be able to produce any more energy.
It
Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:07:58 -0500
From: Nicholas Ponzio
I just got this email forwarded from a coworker that volunteers as a
firefigher. Your comments are welcome:
I agree that fire access may be restricted, but a bunch of this report I
would say is definitely hysteria..
Forwarded
Nik:
Ian Woofenden mailed me the same letter which has apparently been
circulating on the internet of late. Ian asked for my response for a
potential column or at least a reply to a letter to the editor for Home
Power. Below is what I wrote back. If I missed any points, I appreciate
any fe
I just got this email forwarded from a coworker that volunteers as a
firefigher. Your comments are welcome:
Forwarded Message:
At this past Monday's Twp. Chief's meeting, I went to the presentation
put on by the State of NJ last night at Amwell Valley Fire concerning
solar panels and the dang
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