Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-30 Thread Kirk Herander
-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org [mailto:re-wrenches-boun...@lists.re-wrenches.org] On Behalf Of John Berdner Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 3:12 PM To: RE-wrenches Subject: Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages Kirk: As noted below the current will be shared by all modules

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-30 Thread David Katz
Hi Larry, A PV module is not exactly a constant current source. It has a power curve. At 0 volts in any given insolation, it's current will be the highest. As the voltage rises, the current drops, until the current is 0. If you put two strings in parallel that have different voltages, they will

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
David, Since a PV module is a constant current device, I don't believe this will take place. For a given amount of light (plus all factors affecting power), the current potential will be there. What force can act upon the current to reduce it? Consequently, the lowest Vmp the inverter can

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread Ray Walters
Modules aren't exactly constant current devices. They are for much of their voltage range, up to a voltage a bit below the MPP, and then the current starts tapering down to 0 at Voc. The entire string can only pass as much current as the lowest current

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread Larry Crutcher, Starlight Solar Power Systems
So the string with the highest current AND voltage dictates where the inverter MPP locks. Other strings are pulled up past their MPP which means lower current from them. Makes sense. I was only considering constant current under a load equal to the potential. In that case a module is constant

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread Allan Sindelar
I question one part of this conclusion, but have not set up any tests. The only part I question is "the string with the highest current AND voltage dictates where the inverter MPP locks". Rather, it seems to me that the voltage at which the combined current of

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-29 Thread John Berdner
] unbalanced string voltages I question one part of this conclusion, but have not set up any tests. The only part I question is the string with the highest current AND voltage dictates where the inverter MPP locks. Rather, it seems to me that the voltage at which the combined current of all

[RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-28 Thread Kirk Herander
Hello everyone, I am at present adding to a -20- panel array of old Sanyo HIT lipped 200 watt panels. They are configured in -4- series strings of -5- panels, with a string MPP voltage of 279 vdc (55.8 v, 3.6 a each). The customer wants to add another nominal 2 kw using the (now) Panasonic 235

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-28 Thread David Katz
Kirk The 43volt 5.5 amp panel will operate at 3.6 amps, so it's voltage will move up toward open circuit voltage, raising the mppt voltage of that string. I would bet that the voltage of that entire string will rise to match the higher voltage string by moving toward open circuit voltage. It

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-28 Thread Ray Walters
I'd go for using that extra module with the damaged frame. What is the frame damage going to do to the system? Is it bad enough that the module could quit working later (bad edge seal)? The voltage mismatch isn't the end of the world either, but your over all year round performance will be

Re: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages

2013-04-28 Thread dan
Hey Kirk, I'm currently doing a project with Tigo Optimizers. Sounds like they might work for your project. db Original Message Subject: [RE-wrenches] unbalanced string voltages From: Kirk Herander k...@vtsolar.com Date: Sun, April 28, 2013 12:02 pm To: RE-wrenches re-wrenches