Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Brian Cameron
Some perspective about this issue from a Solaris perspective. On non-Linux systems like Solaris there is little value in using upstream GNOME code for some features. Power management is a good example. On Solaris, power management uses Solaris-specific interfaces and supports Solaris specific

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Richard Hughes
On 19 October 2012 14:27, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > ..otherwise I will suggest we stop making GNOME available since Ubuntu > doesn't have the requirements to run > 3.8... I'm sure I was talking to several people that managed to get systemd/logind working just fine on Ubuntu. Can't the GNOME remix

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 19/10/2012 15:41, Matthias Clasen a écrit : I don't think that is a very productive way to have a discussion. What are you hoping to achieve ? The discussion went this way: 1: "g-s-d will drop non systemd support" 2: could we define standard interface that are up to the distributor to implem

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Florian Müllner
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:10 PM, Jasper St. Pierre wrote: > This is what I feel. DBus is our system abstraction layer. I feel that > making ConsoleKit support the logind interface wouldn't be that big of > a patch and solve this issue, at least. Unless I'm mistaken ConsoleKit only provides a subs

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Jasper St. Pierre
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Colin Walters wrote: >> The other thing we can do (and really should do) is share more code >> relating to systemd/CK and in general system abstractions. >> >> It's really pretty silly how hard we make it

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 11:00 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external > factors involved in making policy decision about power. This makes the > power plugin o

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Colin Walters wrote: > The other thing we can do (and really should do) is share more code > relating to systemd/CK and in general system abstractions. > > It's really pretty silly how hard we make it to share code between > gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell.

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Florian Müllner
On vie, 2012-10-19 at 12:19 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: The other thing we can do (and really should do) is share more code > relating to systemd/CK and in general system abstractions. > > It's really pretty silly how hard we make it to share code between > gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell. I

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Colin Walters
The other thing we can do (and really should do) is share more code relating to systemd/CK and in general system abstractions. It's really pretty silly how hard we make it to share code between gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-shell. I'd be happy to move more stuff into to gnome-desktop personally

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Florian Müllner
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 3:48 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:30 +0200, Florian Max wrote: >> On vie, 2012-10-19 at 14:55 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:49 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: >> > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Bastien Nocera >> > > wr

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Colin Walters
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:48 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > I would recommend that gnome-shell uses systemd to suspend, and I would > recommend gnome-shell, gnome-session and gdm also drop their ConsoleKit > session tracking code. At the end of the day, the decisions are not mine > to make, so if t

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 07:43:26AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > > > > > I think at one point the GNOME project will need to step up and explicitely > > states that GNOME is a Linux-only Desktop. > > I am a BSD user; don't get me wrong

Re: GNOME 3.7.1 unstable tarballs due (and more)

2012-10-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 2:36 AM, Frederic Peters wrote: >> * GNOME 3.7.1 unstable tarballs due > > Any taker? > if nobody else steps up, I'll see if I can find a night next week to do it. ___ release-team@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinf

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:30 +0200, Florian Max wrote: > On vie, 2012-10-19 at 14:55 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:49 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > > Note that I also intend on dropping session tracking sup

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 19/10/2012 15:23, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > >> If you want to provide compatible interfaces to systemd without using >> systemd, then you'll need to engage with the systemd developers to make >> sure that APIs are suitable for your imp

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Florian Max
On vie, 2012-10-19 at 14:55 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:49 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > Note that I also intend on dropping session tracking support from > > > ConsoleKit. > > > > > > > I was actually looki

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 19/10/2012 15:23, Bastien Nocera a écrit : If you want to provide compatible interfaces to systemd without using systemd, then you'll need to engage with the systemd developers to make sure that APIs are suitable for your implementation. No, I don't plan to do that work either so I will take f

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:05 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 19/10/2012 11:00, Bastien Nocera a écrit : > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement > Hey Bastien, > > Was there any consideration to define those interface as "standard > freedesktop interfaces" to let GNOME work on any sys

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Sebastien Bacher
Le 19/10/2012 11:00, Bastien Nocera a écrit : I intend on making systemd a hard requirement Hey Bastien, Was there any consideration to define those interface as "standard freedesktop interfaces" to let GNOME work on any system implementing those? Some distributions (Debian, Ubuntu, ...) don'

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 08:49 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 18:51 +0700, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote: > >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > I intend on making systemd

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hello Antoine, On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 11:14 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:00:05AM +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and extern

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 18:51 +0700, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: >> > Hello, >> > >> > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in >> > gnome-settings-daemon.

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 18:51 +0700, Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > > gnome-settings-daemon. > > Does it mean GNOME without systemd does not support power

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Nguyen Thai Ngoc Duy
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > gnome-settings-daemon. Does it mean GNOME without systemd does not support power management anymore? If so, any chance an external power plugin, maintained s

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > > I think at one point the GNOME project will need to step up and explicitely > states that GNOME is a Linux-only Desktop. > I am a BSD user; don't get me wrong, if GNOME goes Linux-only then so be it. > But the current situation is har

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Antoine Jacoutot
On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:00:05AM +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external > factors involved in making policy decision about power. This makes the > power p

Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-19 Thread Bastien Nocera
Hello, I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external factors involved in making policy decision about power. This makes the power plugin one of the more fragile parts of the system, with things like DPMS, sc