Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 17:48 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 07:43:26AM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Antoine Jacoutot > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I think at one point the GNOME project will need to step up and > > > explicitely states

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 11:14 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 11:00:05AM +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external > > factors i

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 17:48 +0200, Antoine Jacoutot wrote: > Sure, but my initial concern is that once you have one foot in > systemd, why not embrace it totally? What does "embracing totally" mean? If there are more features in systemd to simplify or better GNOME, we'll certainly use them. But t

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 19:20 +0200, Sebastien Bacher wrote: > Le 19/10/2012 15:41, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > > I don't think that is a very productive way to have a discussion. What > > are you hoping to achieve ? > The discussion went this way: > 1: "g-s-d will drop non systemd support" > 2: coul

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 13:33 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: > The GNOME community provides little guidance about what systemd > interfaces are actually needed for various GNOME features to work > properly. Maybe nobody really knows yet, but non-Linux distros will > likely make slow progress as long as

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 12:07 -0400, Colin Walters wrote: > On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 15:48 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > > > I would recommend that gnome-shell uses systemd to suspend, and I would > > recommend gnome-shell, gnome-session and gdm also drop their ConsoleKit > > session tracking code. At

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-21 Thread Lennart Poettering
On Sat, 20.10.12 09:21, Jasper St. Pierre (jstpie...@mecheye.net) wrote: > > (Somehow you manage to reply with "Florian Max"@gmail, "Florian > Mullner"@gmail, and "Florian Muller"@gnome. I won't question it) > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Florian Müllner wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at