Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 10:18 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: > Bastien: > > I was not trying to suggest that there was no GNOME portability > documentation. Instead I was saying that it should not be > surprising that non-Linux distros (and many popular Linux distros) > are making very slow progress w

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Alexandre Rostovtsev
On Mon, 2012-10-22 at 14:17 -0400, David Zeuthen wrote: > As a developer (and working for an OS vendor), I *do* want more OS > vendors to step up and intensify their participation in the project. > Yes, more participation from several different OS vendors might slow > down feature development a bit

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Brian Cameron
David: On 10/22/12 01:17 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: Right. So, you probably are not surprised that things are moving along slowly either. :) Actually I'm quite excited about the development pace for GNOME nowadays - there are lots of coo

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread David Zeuthen
Hey, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > Right. So, you probably are not surprised that things are moving along > slowly either. :) Actually I'm quite excited about the development pace for GNOME nowadays - there are lots of cool *user-visible* features landing in new relea

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Brian Cameron
David: On 10/22/12 01:01 PM, David Zeuthen wrote: But please don't expect others to port GNOME to run on your OS. I was never suggesting that any others do any sort of port for anyone. I was only highlighting that the lack of documentation makes things slow. I am sure that we can improve the

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread David Zeuthen
Hey, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 1:24 PM, Brian Cameron wrote: > I have heard about this "couple of hours". Is it even possible to > build the GNOME stack in 2 hours if you run into no problems? That's not the point. The point is that adapting GNOME to some OS such as Solaris, Fedora, Ubuntu, OpenB

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Brian Cameron
David: On 10/22/12 11:50 AM, David Zeuthen wrote: On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: You are talking about shipping a *complete* and *free* (libre *and* gratis) graphical desktop environment and you're complaining that you have to spend a couple of hours *reviewing* the co

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread David Zeuthen
Hey, On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: > Most readers would likely need > to review the code to understand what specific power features are > actually being described here or why they might need logind. Most > rows in the table are like this, so this matrix is only a very >

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Brian Cameron
Bastien: I was not trying to suggest that there was no GNOME portability documentation. Instead I was saying that it should not be surprising that non-Linux distros (and many popular Linux distros) are making very slow progress with GNOME 3 based on the quality and scope of the existing documen

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 11:00 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external > factors involved in making policy decision about power. This makes the > power plugin

Re: Requiring systemd for the gnome-settings-daemon power plugin

2012-10-22 Thread Bastien Nocera
On Fri, 2012-10-19 at 11:00 +0200, Bastien Nocera wrote: > Hello, > > I intend on making systemd a hard requirement for the power plugin in > gnome-settings-daemon. There is a lot of interactions and external > factors involved in making policy decision about power. This makes the > power plugin