Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-17 Thread PiƱeiro
On 02/17/2014 02:31 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: > > First of all: thanks a lot to Olav for engaging in that debate! I > couldn't have done it... and I pretty much agree with the position > you formulated: we should be open to reasonable patches that make > things work better on whatever platform p

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-17 Thread Matthias Clasen
First of all: thanks a lot to Olav for engaging in that debate! I couldn't have done it... and I pretty much agree with the position you formulated: we should be open to reasonable patches that make things work better on whatever platform people want to try GNOME on. And we should be very happy th

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-17 Thread Frederic Peters
Olav Vitters wrote: > We should make clear what our position is. Reasonable demands are fine. > Going to us because init systems are lacking is plain weird. I was very > friendly in my reply, but it needs to be said that going to GNOME for > init system development is weird. My proposal would be

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-16 Thread Olav Vitters
[ pretty tired so this message is harsher than intended ] On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 02:46:02PM +0100, Frederic Peters wrote: > Hey Sri, nice of you to join the discussion, > > > I think eventually though we are going to have to monitor and see where the > > discussion is going. Debian is an impor

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-16 Thread Frederic Peters
I wrote: > [...] (in the perspective of the Debian discussion, I believe a11y > support and classic mode are important) Also I do not think we did much work making sure Software would work fine on Debian, I believe it needs some server work but maybe we can help even on the infrastucture side.

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-16 Thread Frederic Peters
Hey Sri, nice of you to join the discussion, > I think eventually though we are going to have to monitor and see where the > discussion is going. Debian is an important distro for us and we should > make sure that we continue to be the default. I think we need to make sure > that people understa

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-15 Thread Sriram Ramkrishna
On Feb 15, 2014 6:45 AM, "Frederic Peters" wrote: > > Olav Vitters wrote: > > FYI > > > > There is a discussion going on within Debian that could possibly result > > in them demanding us to work on any init system. If not, we should > > provide alternative implementations. This under threat of GNO

Re: Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-15 Thread Frederic Peters
Olav Vitters wrote: > FYI > > There is a discussion going on within Debian that could possibly result > in them demanding us to work on any init system. If not, we should > provide alternative implementations. This under threat of GNOME being > removed from Debian. > > I've tried to make clear we

Fwd: Re: Bug#727708: init system coupling etc.

2014-02-15 Thread Olav Vitters
FYI There is a discussion going on within Debian that could possibly result in them demanding us to work on any init system. If not, we should provide alternative implementations. This under threat of GNOME being removed from Debian. I've tried to make clear we're not init system developers. Expe