RE: Compulsory Religious Attendance in the Military

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Stern
There is litigation in the 1970s (DC Circuit) holding that compulsory attendance at chapel is unconstitutional even at military academies. And of course, the Fourth Circuit recently banned an optional prayer to begin meals at that much sued institution, Virginia Military Institute. I will

RE: Coercion and religious exemptions

2004-11-29 Thread Newsom Michael
Is there really a coercion test, especially in light of Scalia's dissent in Santa Fe? -Original Message- From: Volokh, Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2004 4:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Coercion and religious exemptions I've been trying to think a

RE: Compulsory Religious Attendance in the Military

2004-11-29 Thread Mark Stern
The citations to my earlier posting are Mellon v. Bunting, 327 F3d 355 (5th Cir.2003), Cert denied, (with opinions) US(2004); Anderson v. Laird, 466 F2d 283 (DC CIr. 1972). Marc Stern From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Stern Sent:

RE: Coercion and religious exemptions

2004-11-29 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Hmm -- I had thought that nearly everyone agreed that coercion of religious activity is impermissible, though they disagree about the nature of the coercion. Even Scalia in Part III of his Lee dissent says that the Establishment Clause was adopted to prohibit the federal government from

RE: Coercion and religious exemptions

2004-11-29 Thread Newsom Michael
I dont think that we disagree. I dont accept Scalias view either. My point is perhaps only semantic. I dont think that the word coercion is adequate to do the work that the EC requires, i.e. to frame and shape the narratives of harm done to religious minorities. -Original

Re: Coercion and religious exemptions

2004-11-29 Thread Steven Jamar
No single concept, whether coercion or accommodation or equality or equal treatment or any other concept that has been advocated as the way in which to analyze EC or FE problems is sufficient. Hence my advocacy of an approach that clearly articulates the principles to be used and the interests to

RE: Coercion, religious exemptions, and empirical evidence

2004-11-29 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Title: Message I agree that "this will swamp the judicial system" arguments deserve some empirical inquiry; and since it's impossible to tell up front what exactly will happen, perhaps sometimes one ought to start granting exemption and then see what follows. (This is my view as to how