Re: Snyder v. Phelps compensatory damages award

2007-11-05 Thread Susan Freiman
It was a conspiracy by Bush & Co to prove the need for restrictions on trial lawyers. Susan Volokh, Eugene wrote: > Is anyone troubled by the size of the Snyder v. Phelps > compensatory damages award -- $2.9 million? I recognize that the speech > is extremely offensive (and, in my view, e

Fighting words and Phelps

2007-11-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
If Mark is right that the speech here is fighting words, then indeed (1) IIED could be narrowed (if courts accept my view of the overbreadth issue) to unprotected speech, and yet (2) the result would still lead to liability here. In fact, fighting-words-based IIED liability would presumably be

Snyder v. Phelps compensatory damages award

2007-11-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Is anyone troubled by the size of the Snyder v. Phelps compensatory damages award -- $2.9 million? I recognize that the speech is extremely offensive (and, in my view, entirely unjustified); and of course the plaintiff, being a grieving parent, was especially emotionally vulnerable. Yet I

RE: Is First Amendment viewpoint-discriminatory against antigayspeech?

2007-11-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Well, let me probe again the question I raised in the post below (which Michael quotes). I take it that to the extent that speech can be punished because it indirectly promotes violence -- which is to say, to the extent that Brandenburg v. Ohio is overruled, at least when speech comes from

RE: Is First Amendment viewpoint-discriminatory against antigayspeech?

2007-11-05 Thread Newsom Michael
Let me make two related points. 1. People who dislike Phelps' group may do so for a variety of reasons, some reasons being principled, some being tactical or strategic only. 2. There is a powerful psychological link between gays and the Phelps group's conduct at the funeral of fallen wa

Re: The trouble with IIED liability here

2007-11-05 Thread Steven Jamar
falsness plus negligence, falseness plus reckless disregard, falseness plus commercial speech, falseness under oath. where is the falseness exception? Hustler is not a falseness case. It is a public-figure-open-to-satire case. The very falseness of it was the "joke". On 11/5/07, Volokh, Eugen

RE: The trouble with IIED liability here

2007-11-05 Thread Volokh, Eugene
Sure there is -- "false statements of fact have no constitutional value," said Gertz, and when said with the proper mens rea, they are unprotected. See NYT v. Sullivan (defamation); Time v. Hill (false light invasion of privacy); Madigan (fraudulent charitable solicitation). That's also w