RE: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Brad Pardee
The problem with the parallel to taxation is the nature of the funding. When we pay taxes, it's a blank check that Congress can use for anything it wishes. They can spend it on war or they can use it to feed squirrels in the park. There are no specific directions provide with the payment of the t

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Marci Hamilton
Jon-- I do not believe you can separate those realities. The law is just a line drawn around conduct. RFRA and Yoder move that line. When the line is moved, we must ask as a civilized society who is harmed. In the case of Yoder, more Children are harmed with the movement of that line. I

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread mallamud
I have reservations about equating the decision in Yoder with the endorsement of the specific practices that make Judy, Marci and others uncomfortable. A short answer is the same as I would give for polygamy. There are less restrictive means of dealing with the evils than outlawing the legitim

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Marci Hamilton
That reality is compounded by the presence of sibling incest and the community's choice to stand behind the boy and expel a girl who tells on the boy. Marci Marci A. Hamilton Verkuil Chair in Public Law Benjamin N. Cardozo Law School Yeshiva University @Marci_Hamilton > On Jan 5, 2014, a

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Judy Baer
Marci, I share your discomfort with Yoder. Martha Nussbaum wrote that the impact of Yoder was worse for Amish girls than for Amish boys, because the boys learned marketable skills and the girls did not. So it was harder for girls to leave the community. Judy Baer Sent from my iPhone > On Jan

contraception cases: views of affected women

2014-01-05 Thread Greg Lipper
I'm not planning on getting involved in this broader debate over RFRA, but I should add to Marci's point 2 below (about formal legal action by women) that in the Notre Dame case, Americans United has moved to intervene on behalf of three ND students who will lose contraception coverage if the un

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread mallamud
I am sure it as been said before, but I cannot help stressing that nothing I know of in the ACA forces anyone to use contraceptives or to undergo an abortion. The religious freedom to make those decisions is fully preserved. As with having to pay taxes to support war, I do not consideration c

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Marci Hamilton
Michael-- My answers are interlineated below > > 1. Congress never debated the contraception mandate as part of Obamacare. > Thus the religious right never lost in Congress, I do not think this meets my point. The paid lobbyists for many religious groups watched this statute closely and l

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Michael Worley
Marci, 1. Congress never debated the contraception mandate as part of Obamacare. Thus the religious right never lost in Congress, 2. Are there any reports of any women objecting formally? I understand they are the group that you claim are harmed, but surely they could sue and properly bring this

Re: RFRA's constitutionality

2014-01-05 Thread Marci Hamilton
Well-said! The irony w RFRA is that it is a majoritarian statute parading as a minority rights statute. In the US, religious lobbyists are some of our most powerful. Their political purse, will,and power is extraordinary. RFRA plays to their worst instincts by giving them a second, large