Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-27 Thread Steven Jamar
On Sep 26, 2006, at 4:31 PM, Gary McCaleb wrote:   Off the top of my head, ACLU has demonstrated its commitment to religious freedom by filing suit in Arizona (again) against tax credits that may incidentally benefit private religious schools; filing an amicus brief opposing our Equal Access Act c

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-27 Thread Steven Jamar
On Sep 26, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Kimberlee Wood Colby wrote: The DOE guidelines certainly have helped the SYATP situation, but there are a lot of school administrators who are: 1) still afraid of the ACLU, etc., filing a lawsuit if they allow any religious activity; 2) haven't kept up on the developme

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-27 Thread Brad Pardee
Ed,   You wrote, "And if, as you say, most of those situations are cleared up by a letter explaining the law, is it really an attempt to suppress, or is it merely ignorance of the law? Seems the latter would be a far more reasonable description of what is going on."   Certainly there are some

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Gary McCaleb
tember 26, 2006 2:54 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP. Gary McCaleb wrote: The first sentence refers to this passage:   We agree with the Seventh Circuit that the desirable approach is not

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Marc Stern
Law Academics Subject: RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.   The first sentence refers to this passage:   We agree with the Seventh Circuit that the desirable approach is not for schools to throw up their hands because of the possible misconceptions about endorsement of religion, but that instead it i

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Ed Brayton
Gary McCaleb wrote: The first sentence refers to this passage:   We agree with the Seventh Circuit that the desirable approach is not for schools to throw up their hands because of the possible misconceptions about endorsement of religion, but that instead it is [f]ar better to

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Will Linden
At 03:33 PM 9/26/06 -0400, you wrote: I realize that demonizing the ACLU is a powerful fundraising tool for groups like the ADF and Liberty Counsel ...and vice versa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Rele

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Gary McCaleb
: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP. Gary McCaleb wrote: If anything, ADF's "rhetoric" is understated in comparison the the federal courts, which have bluntly told school officials that if they can't

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Ed Brayton
Gary McCaleb wrote: If anything, ADF's "rhetoric" is understated in comparison the the federal courts, which have bluntly told school officials that if they can't teach the First Amendment, then its questionable whether they can teach anything at all.  I've read that sentence severa

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Gary McCaleb
by From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed BraytonSent: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 9:01 AMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP. Brad Pardee wrote: Ed,   You wrote, "And if, a

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Ed Brayton
Kimberlee Wood Colby wrote: The DOE guidelines certainly have helped the SYATP situation, but there are a lot of school administrators who are: 1) still afraid of the ACLU, etc., filing a lawsuit if they allow any religious activity; 2) haven't kept up on the developments in the law since th

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Kimberlee Wood Colby
Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP. Brad Pardee wrote: Ed,   You wrote, "And if, as you say, most of those situations are cleared up by a letter explaining the law, is it really an attempt to suppress, or is it merely ignorance of the la

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Ed Brayton
Brad Pardee wrote: Ed,   You wrote, "And if, as you say, most of those situations are cleared up by a letter explaining the law, is it really an attempt to suppress, or is it merely ignorance of the law? Seems the latter would be a far more reasonable description of what is goin

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Marc Stern
Brayton Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 11:04 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.   Gary McCaleb wrote: I'd say that "others" certainly includes the school officials that attempt to suppress SYATP events.  Surely, having to fil

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-26 Thread Brad Pardee
I wrote: "While it's uncharitable to assume that all of these situations are the result of animus against such events, it's equally naive to assume that none of these situations are merely harmless, well-intentioned ignorance."   Obviously, I meant to say, "it's equally naive to assume that A

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-25 Thread AAsch
In a message dated 9/25/2006 7:33:22 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: has there been any case where anyone has filed suit to stop the actual event? Or even a statement from groups like the ACLU or Americans United that the event itself was unconstitutional? To the

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-25 Thread Ed Brayton
Gary McCaleb wrote: I'd say that "others" certainly includes the school officials that attempt to suppress SYATP events.  Surely, having to file suit as we did in Freisner qualifies as a "constitutional showdown." But so far I've not seen any evidence that any school officials have at

RE: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-25 Thread Gary McCaleb
half Of Ed BraytonSent: Monday, September 25, 2006 7:32 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Lawsuits against SYATP. Gary McCaleb wrote: We regularly receive complaints from high school students regarding official action against their effort t

Re: Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-25 Thread Ed Brayton
Gary McCaleb wrote: We regularly receive complaints from high school students regarding official action against their effort to participate in SYATP events.  In 2003, we filed Friesner, et al. v. Ogg, et al. (No. 0:03-cv-00893-JRT-RLE D. Minn.) after school officials banned the word "p

Lawsuits against SYATP.

2006-09-25 Thread Gary McCaleb
We regularly receive complaints from high school students regarding official action against their effort to participate in SYATP events.  In 2003, we filed Friesner, et al. v. Ogg, et al. (No. 0:03-cv-00893-JRT-RLE D. Minn.) after school officials banned the word "prayer" from SYATP posters.