Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Marty Lederman
I think this might be a very important case -- or, at the least, an omen of things to come, in a range of cases involving charitable choice, school vouchers, etc.  Indeed, it's the classic "Wiccan" hypo -- that many of us have been invoking, and wondering about, in various discussions of all

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Joel Sogol
erman Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 7:47 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County   I think this might be a very important case -- or, at the least, an omen of things to come, in a range of cases involving cha

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread James Maule
Speaking of discrimination against Wiccans: "Calif. Boy Says He's Suspended for Makeup" (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7495484/) A ninth-grade student has accused officials at a Southern California high school of discrimination for suspending him for wearing lipstick and eye makeup. James Herndon,

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Kim Colby
am co-counsel for Child Evangelism Fellowship in the Montgomery County Public Schools case.   Kim Colby From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marty LedermanSent: Friday, April 15, 2005 8:47 AMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: Re: Discrimination Ag

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Kim Colby
meetings in which they will pray and learn to embrace the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ? - Original Message - From: Kim Colby To: 'Law & Religion issues for Law Academics' Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 9:34 AM Subject: RE: Discrimination Against Wicc

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Steven Jamar
There is a meanginful difference between discriminating against one religion among many religious contenders and discriminating against all religions to avoid establishment. The validity of seeing the two cases as distinct does not resolve how either should be resolved. Nonetheless, like Marty,

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread A.E. Brownstein
I agree that this is an indefensible decision. (I would probably have described it as shameful, but indefensible will do.) But it does illustrate the problem with the argument that government may display religious symbols and sponsor religious activities such as prayer as long as it does so in a

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread West, Ellis
Title: Message Although I object (for religious reasons) to public prayers, such as those before meetings of the Chesterfield County Board of Supervisors, aren't those of you who consider the Fourth Circuit's decision to be indefensible or worse overlooking the distinctive nature of this part

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread David Cruz
On Fri, 15 Apr 2005, West, Ellis wrote: > [snip] If, however, the reason for these prayers > is because the members of the Board truly want divine guidance or > blessing from the deity in which they believe, the God of the > Judeo-Christian faith, [snip] Does that count as a *secular* purpose??

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Newsom Michael
- From: West, Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 12:50 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County   Although I object (for religious reasons) to public prayers, such as those before meeting

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread West, Ellis
alf Of Newsom MichaelSent: Friday, April 15, 2005 5:17 PMTo: Law & Religion issues for Law AcademicsSubject: RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County I can’t imagine that it is constitutionally permissible for public officials to have prayers said for

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Von Keetch
Title: Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County Just let them wait until I get home.  Thanks. -- Von Keetch Sent from my Blackberry Wireless -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T

Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-15 Thread Von Keetch
Title: Re: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County My apologies to the list for sending the previous email.  Sometimes my Blackberry gets the better of me. -- Von Keetch Sent from my Blackberry Wireless -Original Message

RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County

2005-04-16 Thread Newsom Michael
utterly unconstitutional.)   -Original Message- From: West, Ellis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2005 6:03 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: RE: Discrimination Against Wiccans; Simpson v. Chesterfield County   Aren't these kinds o