RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
Law Academics Subject: RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases   The ADL has filed a very thoughtful brief elaborating on Marc and Paul's points. A link to it can be found on the their web cite http://www.adl.org/PresRele/SupremeCourt_33/4601_33.htm Alan Brownstein

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread A.E. Brownstein
ect: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases   In a message dated 12/16/2004 9:10:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is fundamentally wrong as a matter of fact. There are far more than 10 commandments in what we know as the Ten Commandments. <>

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 12/16/2004 11:40:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have to say that James Henderson's point about there being no differences, etc., seems to me undermined by the fact that he refers to the text in a way previously unfamiliar to me as the Ten Words rather

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
Not to put too fine a point on these issues, but the for Roman Catholics and Lutherans, the 7th Commandment is a prohibition on stealing, not adultery. That illustrates the whole problem of putting up these monuments. What does it say to a child, for example, who passes the courthouse everyda

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Paul Finkelman
I suspect we have a disagreement here that is verging on the theological. The text of Exod 20 contains many commandments; so does Denuteronomy 5. No matter how one counts them, or parses them, it there are clearly more than ten separate commandments in these chapters. Jews and Christians di

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Mark Tushnet
I have to say that James Henderson's point about there being no differences, etc., seems to me undermined by the fact that he refers to the text in a way previously unfamiliar to me as the Ten Words rather than the Ten Commandments.  Also, I assume that he doesn't literally mean "set out in ful

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Newsom Michael
] Subject: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases   In a message dated 12/15/2004 4:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hm -- and some people say that the Protestant Empire is dead and gone. If one can display the Ten Commandments (five gets you ten that the

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
rejection of the totality of the law. Marc stern   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases   In a message dated

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread RJLipkin
I want to second Ed Braton's thoughtful post, and inquire of anyone who knows whether the laws, rules, customs of the Jews prior to the acquisition of the Ten Commandments included prohibitions against murder and theft, for example.  If the answer is yes then all those who agree with

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 12/16/2004 9:10:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is fundamentally wrong as a matter of fact. There are far more than 10 commandments in what we know as the Ten Commandments. <>There are significant differences in numbering the commandments, differen

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
from denial of cert in City of Elkhart v. Book,532 u.s. 1059 Marc Stern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ed Brayton Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:38 AM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Re: Steven Williams case

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Ed Brayton
I must say, as it concerns the 10 commandments issue, that I'm not so concerned about the question of which text of the 10 commandments one uses as I am the question of why anyone rationally believes that they form the "basis of our laws" in the first place. At least 6 of the 10 commandments wo

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread Marc Stern
alf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:56 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases   In a message dated 12/15/2004 4:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hm -- and some people say that the Protestant

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-16 Thread JMHACLJ
In a message dated 12/15/2004 4:52:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hm -- and some people say that the Protestant Empire is dead and gone. If one can display the Ten Commandments (five gets you ten that the only version we are likely to see in any of these displays is the eva

Re: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-15 Thread Paul Finkelman
ics Subject: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases As I was reading the SG's brief in McCreary, I was struck by the similarity of the arguments offered in the brief to justify the Ten Commandments display and the arguments offered by list members to support Williams' teac

RE: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-15 Thread Newsom Michael
t Alan has supposed below! -Original Message- From: A.E. Brownstein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 2:36 PM To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics Subject: Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases As I was reading the SG's brief in McC

Steven Williams case and the Ten Commandments cases

2004-12-15 Thread A.E. Brownstein
As I was reading the SG's brief in McCreary, I was struck by the similarity of the arguments offered in the brief to justify the Ten Commandments display and the arguments offered by list members to support Williams' teaching materials. The SG argues that the Ten Commandments display is constit