[Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread Bill
Howdy group. I have a Motorola MSR2000 repeater on the ham bands that I maintain. VHF 147.32 in Austin (Oak Hill)Texas. It has developed a hum on the receive signal. I know it's the receiver as there is no hum when the machine ID's with no input from the receiver. The hum has been getting worse

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread n9wys
It just doesn't know the words ;-p Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Bill Howdy group. I have a Motorola MSR2000 repeater on the ham bands that I maintain. VHF 147.32 in Austin (Oak Hill)Texas. It has developed a hum on the receive

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Does the receiver share a power source with the rest of the repeater, or is it separate? Our machine has several internal sources of power. each feeding a different device (transmitter, receiver, controller, etc.) So, it's possible for the power supply to develop a bad filter on the receiver

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread Eric Lemmon
Bill, AC hum that begins spontaneously is sometimes due to an audio cable that is loose, breaking the shield connection. Another possibility is the failure of a filter capacitor inside a power supply feeding the IRLP device. Ideally, all sources of audio feeding the repeater and/or the

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the input(s). Here is a link to the repeater info with a photo. I think it would be a single power supply. http://www.n5ztw.com/W5MOT.htm The hum is not exclusive to the IRLP linking radio as it is present when the IRLP rig is off. The IRLP linking rig and internet connection are about

[Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Chuck Kimball
At one point I had read a number for figuring out the gain you get by increasing the height. Of course at the moment I'm unable to locate that. ie: If I move the same antenna (VHF 2m) up a hill and gain 100' of elevation, but it costs me the line loss (300'), did I really gain anything.

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hum on MSR-2000 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread skipp025
I've seen this before on an MSR-2000 or two... or twenty... It might be related to the added interconnection cables. What kind of wire are you using from the receiver to what- ever external devices (repeater controller) you have connected? The black multi conductor round wire found and used

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Eric Lemmon
Chuck, It's just not that simple. If the earth were completely flat, you would get some increase in range- but there are many other factors to consider besides transmission line loss. Most propagation calculation programs consider free-space loss, diffraction loss, and Fresnel loss separately.

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Hum on MSR-2000 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Skipp I will take a good look at the audio cables. This configuration has worked well for many years and we added IRLP a year ago but it is external. The hum is not present when you kick over the repeater and let it ID. It is only present when a signal comes in on the receiver. So first

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Dietrich
Another reason to consider the terrain is that if you raise it up more, will you be overshooting some of the users close in under (in the cone) of the antenna (ie: needing downtilt). my $.02 worth, Mike KB5FLX - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon To:

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Hum on MSR-2000 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread skipp025
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Skipp I will take a good look at the audio cables. This configuration has worked well for many years and we added IRLP a year ago but it is external. Consider any added wiring to/from the back plane external devices. The hum is not present

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Jeff DePolo
At one point I had read a number for figuring out the gain you get by increasing the height. Of course at the moment I'm unable to locate that. ie: If I move the same antenna (VHF 2m) up a hill and gain 100' of elevation, but it costs me the line loss (300'), did I really gain

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Jeff - Where can you experience a situation where you have line-of-sight, but poor fresnel clearance, and have no communications path (assume VHF and UHF, not microwave)? Is there ever a case? We've got a link path that an analysis indicates absolutely no way yet it works just fine (UHF). The

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Hum on MSR200 Receiver

2008-08-09 Thread Paul Plack
Bill, Also check for any new, continuous carriers which might have entered the environment. If you have a ground loop in the cabling, and it happens to resonate near the frequency of a new signal in the area, that signal may have exposed a flaw in the harness which has always existed and

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Jeff DePolo
Where can you experience a situation where you have line-of-sight, but poor fresnel clearance, and have no communications path (assume VHF and UHF, not microwave)? Is there ever a case? A couple of simple examples: 1. If you have an exactly-wrong height as far as Fresnel clearance

[Repeater-Builder] Re: Feedback Problem

2008-08-09 Thread Jeff Lehmann
Kind of like pulling teeth here... It would be nice to know what results happened with what (repeater) items were inserted or removed. Basically it happens in all configurations. Some of things I've tried have been receiver on the top antenna, TX on the bottom, going through the duplexer,

[Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Don
Hello I hope Everyone is doing Well , Some things We do not like talking about Except with our Ham friends Privately and I am sure My Topic is one that may effect all of us But I have a Question and I have got a lot of Opinions , But I Need to know if Anyone Has the Real answer and can Give

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Don, There are many reasons that a person has to register as an offender. some of which I believe are questionable. Without knowing the specifics, I will not comment. If you believe there is a concern over their activities you have several options, including contacting the local

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread ka9qjg
__,_._,_ Thanks Mike , Points well taken As Everyone know we live in a Society where Everyone is suing someone , That is why I was trying to find out a actual FCC Ruling on this if Any 73 De Don KA9QJG __

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Miller WB5OXQ in Waco
There are reasons one could be required to register as a sex offender some of which would have nothing to do with a relationship with young people. If you hear any conversations on your repeater you deem unfit you have the right to ask the party not to use your repeater. That being said

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Bruce Bagwell
I think it depends on location but generally, offenders are PROFOTIBED from making with minors, etc. I have heard of prosucations when they made internet contact. I would think HAM radio would be along the same lines. I would report them to the proper agency them report them to the FCC. Maybe

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Mike Besemer (WM4B)
Jim, I don't think a lawsuit would go far, since the FCC has upheld the rights of repeater groups to ban pretty much whomever they want from using their repeaters. Nonetheless, as someone else pointed out, everybody in America wants to sue somebody and it seems like the defendant is

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Larry Wagoner
At 06:49 PM 8/9/2008, you wrote: I think it depends on location but generally, offenders are PROFOTIBED from making with minors, etc. I have heard of prosucations when they made internet contact. I would think HAM radio would be along the same lines. I would report them to the proper agency

[Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 Hum solved

2008-08-09 Thread Bill
I re-seated the Squelch Gate board. Problem gone. I wish they were all this easy. Thanks for all the advice. Bill N5ZTW

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread Jim Brown
I watched a cable TV system installation on a 300 ft tower many years back, and it was interesting to see where the receive antennas were placed.  We had channels 4,5,8,11, and 13. The tech took a portable antenna and receiver up the tower and watched the signal strength for each channel as he

[Repeater-Builder] Icom programming

2008-08-09 Thread Mike DeWaele
I just tried to program a Icom F-121 VHF radio. I have the the proper cable and the CS-F100 software. When I tried to clone the info into the radio it started the process ok. When it gets almost to the end it stops and says I new a newer version of the software. A google search does not reveal

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread Don Kupferschmidt
Don, You may want to do a search of the FCC's website for infractions and the like; as I remember a number of years ago the FCC shut down a pirate broadcast station somewhere in the U.S. and the person that was involved was a ham. I'm not sure of the final disposition of the case, but I do

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Icom programming

2008-08-09 Thread Mike DeWaele
Found newer version of the software and downloaded. Problem solved. Guess I should have looked a little harder on google first! Thanks, Mike KA2NDW -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Mike DeWaele Sent: Saturday, August 09,

RE: [Repeater-Builder] Height Gain figure

2008-08-09 Thread no6b
At 8/9/2008 17:58, you wrote: I watched a cable TV system installation on a 300 ft tower many years back, and it was interesting to see where the receive antennas were placed. We had channels 4,5,8,11, and 13. The tech took a portable antenna and receiver up the tower and watched the signal

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread MCH
Their offender status doesn't matter. You can ban anyone from your repeater for any reason at any time. Do what was suggested - write them a registered letter and CC the FCC. Then, if they still use your repeater the FCC may be able to take action against them. I can't think of any rule that

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Registered Sex Offenders

2008-08-09 Thread MCH
That statement implies that they have a civil right to use your station. The FCC is quite clear that you are responsible for your own station, and you have the right to say who uses or does not use your repeater. They have no right to force you to allow them to use your repeater. Joe M. Jim