Another quirk.
Sixty plus years ago in England, power factor was not
the main concern. Many of the domestic radio receivers
were transformerless and used half-wave rectification to
obtain D.C. for the tubes. A consequence was a fair dose
of D.C. flowing in the street power mains.
Gordon ZL
WB6FLY wrote:
>Actually, it's the other way around- sites with many linear power
supplies
>almost always have a worse power factor than those with switchers.
As I think about it more, I'm seeing that it depends on how the
switching supplies are designed. In general terms, cheapest supplies
ha
er-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
> Power theft seldom goes undetected,
I'll agree.
> and the punishment is severe.
Not always. I can cite where a customer dri
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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Smith
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 10:25 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
The answer is simple. The electri
ered meter.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: Bill Smith
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
The answer is simple. The electric company refuses to provi
.
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, August 22, 2010 12:11:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
> Power theft seldom goes undetected,
I'll agree.
> and the punishment is se
ilder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Horlick
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 9:35 AM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
And if the "capacitor trick" did work, would this not be theft?
lh
And if the "capacitor trick" did work, would this not be theft?
lh
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Chuck Kelsey wrote:
>
>
> "Like a bad penny, this "urban legend" just keeps coming back." -- Eric
> Lemmon.
>
> Yes, I agree. However, the post that I made (and started all of this again)
>
> did
"Like a bad penny, this "urban legend" just keeps coming back." -- Eric
Lemmon.
Yes, I agree. However, the post that I made (and started all of this again)
didn't make claim as to whether the "capacitor trick" worked or didn't work.
I feel that it has no impact, unless you are being billed for
Like a bad penny, this "urban legend" just keeps coming back.
Since a kWh meter, whether mechanical or electronic, measures only "real"
power, the addition of a capacitor- which adds capacitive reactance- cannot
affect real power. A residential customer will never see a reduction in the
amount of
Well, I tried a search and came up empty. Maybe it was another group. Oh well.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower
Guess I should have done a message archive search. I didn't mean to start all
this.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: Gary Schafer
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 5:17 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to
small business' is
a scam. You save nothing on your bill!
73
Gary K4FMX
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From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bon & Hal
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2010 2:39 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [R
This is a reply to the power issue from a friend of mine:
Yes, it's true.
Heavy industry uses this technique to reduce their electrical utility costs.
Steel production is an example.
Some utility companies require that customers with large inductive loads use
and pay for capacitor banks to corr
to fool.
Bill
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, August 20, 2010 8:14:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
That's my take, but someone on here insisted otherwise based on testing he
had done. I spok
Bill:
Check this out. Is It possible that the device might actually reduce
electrical usage?
Hal
- Original Message -
From: Paul Plack
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower
er"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Adding capacitors to lower electric bill
> You won't see any difference. The electric meter reads true power not VA.
>
> 73
> Gary K4FMX
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:
One company supplying power factor correction capacitors promotes their use on
inductive loads only, where it might be a legitimate claim:
http://www.greenenergycube.com/index.php?support-documentation
73,
Paul, AE4KR
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Kelsey
To: Repeater-Builder
at an
electronic meter wouldn't be "fooled." Of course shifting the PF to an
extreme would be a basis for utility company action.
Chuck
WB2EDV
- Original Message -
From: "Gary Schafer"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Build
You won't see any difference. The electric meter reads true power not VA.
73
Gary K4FMX
> -Original Message-
> From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-
> buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 8:00 PM
> To: Repeater-Builder@yaho
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