RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Douglas B. McKay
May I add one other drive to this list? What does anyone here think of this drive from OnStream (http://www.onstream.com)? Other than having a few (three in one machine), I have no connection to OnStream. They seem to work well, I just hadn't seen much mention here in the time I've been lurking

OT and rambling--Re: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Jon Gardner
on 8/2/2000 1:10 PM, Steve Rothman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > But let's talk about tape prices. It looks to me like the VXA 33/66 > cartridge costs about $75 from Ecrix. It's not hard to find a DDS-3 > 12/24 cartridge for $18. So it looks like on a pure $/GB basis, VXA > media costs about 50%

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Steve Rothman
I added cost/GB numbers to the end of this nice chart, hope my math is ok. It looks like the media cost of VXA is about in the middle -- not great, not a bargain. DDS-3, which happens to be the format I am comparing to VXA, is tied to be the second cheapest - the only format cheaper is the onl

VXA tapes

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Steve said: ...Your promotional drive prices are very nice. The "External Retrospect Bundle" for $750... If you are interested in the Server product, this might not be the best buy. Forgoing the desktop Retrospect version in the bundle and buying the Server version outright from Buy.com at $430

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Geoff Rainville
Larry Acosta Wong posted this very nice chart to this list about two weeks ago, and I hope he won't mind me reposting it here again. His VXA media cost is from his reseller, who is selling for less than we do on our website. --geoff --- Exabyte M2: 60GB, 12MB/

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Geoff Rainville
I'll happily comment, but non-specifically, unfortunately. The basic business plan for Ecrix absolutely calls for widening the market with OEM and licensed deals. Where are we with that? I'm honestly not sure (I do web promotions and sales...which reminds me of our promotion...sorry..force of hab

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Steve Rothman
>Steve: You're killing me here. A two-year tape purchase in advance, but we >won't get the sale? Now that you're mentioning tape... Your promotional drive prices are very nice. The "External Retrospect Bundle" for $750 is slightly better than the LaCie DDS-3 + Retro avail from MacWarehouse fo

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Steve said: ...In my particular case, I need to specify everything I need for a two year time span (which in my case means two drives plus all tapes and cleaning tapes, etc.) on a single purchase order. ... I cannot tolerate the risk that my VXA drives may go bad a year from now and that no one

errors

2000-08-02 Thread Ken Gillett
Error 519 (network communication failed) There's been some talk of this recently but as my backup server was out of action it went over my head. Now I have the problem:-( Backup server is a 8100/80 with OS 9.0.4 and Retrospect 4.2 with not much else. Clients are a G3 and a WiNTel with clients

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Geoff Rainville
Steve: You're killing me here. A two-year tape purchase in advance, but we won't get the sale? It used to be said that "no one got fired for buying IBM" but that's not true anymore...lots of new companies with smarter, better technologies took some market share from them. So here we are with a b

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Wade Masshardt
At 15:37 +0200 8/2/00, Xavier HUMBERT - Labo Informatique wrote: >Le 02/08/2000 a 09:22 -0400 , Gowan Fenley ecrivait : > >> Hey, you can always shoot for the lowest common denominator and invest in >> Travan! > >And loose your data... > We use a Travan system where I work and we are planning o

Re: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Steve Rothman
> >> (The only single-tape solution >> in my price range is VXA, which sounds very nice, but there is NO WAY >> I will go with a new, single-vendor solution...) > >You really have to look at risk vs. cost in this case. You can get into a >VXA drive with a few tapes for $600-$700 and have an immedi

Re: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Glenn L. Austin
on 8/2/00 6:22 AM, Gowan Fenley at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Of course, if you want to look at single vendor proprietary platforms, you > don't have to look farther than Apple ...or Microsoft, or Intel, or AMD. Sorry, had to get those "digs" in there somewhere ;-). Apple's not the only "p

Re: DDS-3 vs DDS-4?

2000-08-02 Thread Jon Gardner
on 8/1/2000 10:32 AM, Steve Rothman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > (The only single-tape solution > in my price range is VXA, which sounds very nice, but there is NO WAY > I will go with a new, single-vendor solution...) You really have to look at risk vs. cost in this case. You can get into a VX

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Oh yes - also compare after store is enabled. -gf -- -- To subscribe:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives: Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Mark said: Gowan, what type of throughputs are you getting and what spec machine do you use as a server? Server is a Dell Poweredge 1300 with a single Pentium 3/450 and 256Mb RAM. Throughput ranges from 171Mb/sec on local volumes down to 2Mb/sec on a fully throttled (20% cpu time) remote mail ser

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Xavier HUMBERT - Labo Informatique
Le 02/08/2000 a 09:22 -0400 , Gowan Fenley ecrivait : > Hey, you can always shoot for the lowest common denominator and invest in > Travan! And loose your data... -- Xavier HUMBERT - Systemes et Reseaux | [EMAIL PROTECTED] INJEP | [EMAIL PROTE

RE: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Andrew said: Hey Gowan...wanna buy a few hundred Syquest 200s? How about 5.25" MO's? :) Yuck yuck. Yep, we've scrapped plenty of SyQuests too. A perfect example to prove my point! The most widely accepted industry standard at one time, yet driven out of business by Iomega's product. Could it be

Re: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread andrew
Hey Gowan...wanna buy a few hundred Syquest 200s? How about 5.25" MO's? :) - Original Message - From: "Gowan Fenley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "retro-talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 7:28 AM Subject: VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?) > Steve said: > > > My previous

VXA drive (was DDS-3 vs DDS-4?)

2000-08-02 Thread Gowan Fenley
Steve said: > My previous experience with DDS-2 was very unhappy -- too much maintenance, too much downtime, too many ever-changing recommendations about what brand of media to use, etc. >...(The only single-tape solution in my price range is VXA, which sounds very nice, but there is NO WAY I

Re: DDS-3 vs DDS-4?

2000-08-02 Thread Xavier HUMBERT - Labo Informatique
Le 01/08/2000 a 11:32 -0400 , Steve Rothman ecrivait : > LaCie DDS-3 from MacWarehouse costs about $800 compared to $1150 for >DDS-4. I'm using the very same drive, with no problem *at all* . Can't say the same for DDS2 or worst, Travan Drives ! -- Xavier HUMBERT - Systemes et Reseaux |