[rfc-i] Re: Normative ABNF [was Re: Re: Normative information in RFC imagery]

2025-05-18 Thread Eric Rescorla
On Sat, May 17, 2025 at 3:00 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 18-May-25 09:19, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 17. May 2025, at 22:36, Brian E Carpenter < > brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> However, RFC 9651 explains > >> exactly why it uses all that Engli

[rfc-i] Re: Normative ABNF [was Re: Re: Normative information in RFC imagery]

2025-05-18 Thread Nico Williams
On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 08:41:10AM -0700, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rivest-sexp/ is a good example > of a language whose ABNF cannot be normative (that's because the s-exp > variant described in it is non-context free). Even without that, a > normative ABN

[rfc-i] Re: Normative ABNF [was Re: Re: Normative information in RFC imagery]

2025-05-18 Thread Wes Hardaker
Brian E Carpenter writes: > I agree with you. It's been pretty clear since BNF was first used > (strictly speaking, it was just BF for Algol 58, but that was well > before my time) that some terminations in BNF *require* explanation in > human language. That doesn't make the formalism useless. O