My further thought on this thread about publishing copyrighted material
is that anyone who flagrantly says "here are the ICSD entries for ..."
is welcoming a visit from the authorities. Both the person and that
person's employer may be liable to civil penalties. I'm not a lawyer,
but I do read t
I certainly second the thoughts given by Armel.
There is no question that it is illegal to make a CD copy of the ICSD database,
but I fail to see any copyright violation in posting data originally obtained from
scientific journals.
Not paying the license fee precludes you from utilising some of
On Sunday, November 12, 2000, at 06:36 PM, Armel Le Bail wrote:
>>And, yes, I have a legal leased copy of the ICDD PDF-2 CD-ROM, and I'm
>>not willing to violate copyright laws.
>What copyright ? The atomic coordinates in ICSD, CSD and most (+50%)
>of the ICDD dcalc,dobs,Iobs,Icalc are taken b
>And, yes, I have a legal leased copy of the ICDD PDF-2 CD-ROM, and I'm
>not willing to violate copyright laws.
What copyright ? The atomic coordinates in ICSD, CSD and most (+50%)
of the ICDD dcalc,dobs,Iobs,Icalc are taken by these companies in
papers published in > 500 journals claiming also
To all -
I've watched this thread develop and now find that I must put in my
2-cents worth (not worth much these days).
In all areas of the criminal justice system in the jurisdiction in which
I reside, it is just as much a crime to solicit illegal behavior as to
actually commit it. Name the cr
n <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, 12 November 2000 12:27 AM
Subject: Re: Natrite - Na2 CO3
> I don't know...is it worth it? Probably not, but, technically, any way
you
> look at it, giving away the ICSD data over the mailing list IS stealing
from
&
>It was started with about 2,000 patterns
>contributed by one of those monsters that Armel, among others, loves to
>hate: a money making corporation, The Dow Chemical company
ICDD is not supposed to make money, nowadays, if one believes the first
words at their Web site :
>The International C
I wish to make a public statement of thanks Dr. Winburn for his cogent and
well targeted comments, (see below) about tapping into data bases that
others have paid for.
The thrust of his comments applies equally to the ICDD's data base (PDF). A
possible slight difference is that not only money b
ovember 11, 2000 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: Natrite - Na2 CO3
> Hi:
>
> I am not sure about the perspective.
> My point is: it is worth to pay for 100 000 entries when you need, say,
10
> data sets in one year ?
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Dr. Ryan S. Winburn <[E
Subject: Re: Natrite - Na2 CO3
> Let's put this in perspective.
>
> Is stealing $20 from a bank ok because they have thousands of dollars and
I
> only need $20?
>
ay, November 10, 2000 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: Natrite - Na2 CO3
> In a message dated 00-11-09 12:39:08 EST, you write:
>
> << A company such as USG would not be able to lease the ICSD at the $500
> academic price. I no longer remember the for-profit price, but it is
> signifi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Therefore, I come back to suggestions I made before:
> Make it possible to obtain structural data on a 'pay per structure'
> basis.
I agree with this and indeed in this case it is already possible... The
ICSD database can be searched via the STN network (in the US
In a message dated 00-11-09 12:39:08 EST, you write:
<< A company such as USG would not be able to lease the ICSD at the $500
academic price. I no longer remember the for-profit price, but it is
significantly more. However, these prices cover the cost of tabulating
the data -- and would likely
Uwe Kolitsch wrote:
> (by the way, the ICSD costs only 500 US dollars per year).
A company such as USG would not be able to lease the ICSD at the $500
academic price. I no longer remember the for-profit price, but it is
significantly more. However, these prices cover the cost of tabulating
the da
Here are the ICSD entries for Na2CO3:
(by the way, the ICSD costs only 500 US dollars per year).
COL ICSD Collection Code 81013
DATE Recorded May 13, 1997
NAME Sodium carbonate - alpha
FORM Na2 (C O3)
= C Na2 O3
TITL Neutron powder diffraction study of the ferroelastic phase
tr
Title: Natrite - Na2 CO3
Does anyone have the structural coordinates for sodium carbonate? I will be greatful if you could send them to me. Thanks in advance.
Bruce A. Hudgens
USG Research & Technical Center
700 N. Hwy 45
Libertyville, IL 60048
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