Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-11 Thread Tyler Pitchford
Most people would say it's not a selling point, but damnit no logic is the best. It's REAL MVC. I have 10 templates, with 1 backend to run them all. If that's not amazing to the people, they'll never see the beauty of RIFE. Cheers, Tyler P.S. Push the no logic, the good ones will see the light.

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-11 Thread Geert Bevin
Interesting philosophical exercise, I doubt it'll put much weight in when trying to defend our templates to other people. It's easy to state that frameworks might have several points of ugliness and that the templates could just be one of them, indicating that a lot of other things are 'as

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Fred Baube
Call me nuts, but ... Quoting Geert Bevin: > > I'm writing my presentation about RIFE for TSSJS, and I just *know* > that many people in the audience will shriek when they see the > template syntax for the first time. Every framework tries to wire together classes and presentation and a U

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi Tyler, good point! Thanks for this. Best regards, Geert On 10-feb-06, at 16:52, Tyler Pitchford wrote: I think you missed something VERY important. Bi-Directional! I LOVE that I can inject values from a template into the code. For example, my picture viewing application. The XHTML templa

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Tyler Pitchford
I think you missed something VERY important. Bi-Directional! I LOVE that I can inject values from a template into the code. For example, my picture viewing application. The XHTML template specifies how many Columns per row (5), How many pictures per page (20). On the WML, it says show 1 picture per

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
Thanks for the input Oliver, I tell this most of the time and sadly people just nod and move along, still thinking it looks like crap. On 10-feb-06, at 13:25, Oliver Dohmen wrote: Hi, only a short note. Point them to the alternative Tag Versions with "[! /]", because it dont mess up the

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
BV and I are so simple and powerful that many people don't get it until they start using it! Now onto BA and some next version ;-) The great thing I like when writing pages with RIFE tags is that I can define a common "structure.html" file with V to mark regions on the page. Then, in my ot

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
Not exactly a RIFE's unique features, thou. The same thing can be achieved using something like Sitemesh. Sure, it's nice that we can do this with RIFE, but this is not one of it's unique strengths. Right, I've had several people say that they just use SiteMesh for this. The "selling points" o

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Pazu
> The great thing I like when writing pages with RIFE tags is that I can > define a common "structure.html" file with V to mark regions on the > page. Then, in my other pages, I just include the common > "structure.html" and define the content of those V-marked regions with > BV tags. Not exactly

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Eddy Young
Oliver Dohmen wrote: Hi, only a short note. Point them to the alternative Tag Versions with "[! /]", because it dont mess up the other tags and make it easier to read. For me the language is very clear and only uses minimalistic markup. That makes my templates more readable and i don`t mess

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Oliver Dohmen
Hi, only a short note. Point them to the alternative Tag Versions with "[! /]", because it dont mess up the other tags and make it easier to read. For me the language is very clear and only uses minimalistic markup. That makes my templates more readable and i don`t mess it up with script c

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
Thanks Eddy, the syntax benefit is what I often bring forward, but it somehow never provides enough weight. They point to Tapestry and Wicket as another way of doing it invisibly. When I explain that the templates in RIFE are not limited to XML documents and that they are used for any te

Re: [Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Eddy Young
Geert Bevin wrote: Hi everybody, I'm writing my presentation about RIFE for TSSJS, and I just *know* that many people in the audience will shriek when they see the template syntax for the first time. What do you guys consider a killer argument to defend it and make them at least accept it a

[Rife-users] Looking for killer argument to defend the template language

2006-02-10 Thread Geert Bevin
Hi everybody, I'm writing my presentation about RIFE for TSSJS, and I just *know* that many people in the audience will shriek when they see the template syntax for the first time. What do you guys consider a killer argument to defend it and make them at least accept it as a possibility?