Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-12 Thread Niall O'Reilly
On 23 Mar 2022, at 14:38, Niall O'Reilly wrote: We plan to close the review period just before 24:00 UTC on Sunday 10 April next, and to announce a two-week last-call period shortly after that. Please let us know what you think, in sufficient numbers so that we can understand whether the

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-11 Thread Kurtis Lindqvist
Jordi, I think you are confusing the role of the task force. The TF doesn’t replace or remove the community’s role in scrutinising and approving any policy - it is merely a vehicle to produce an analysis or proposal that can act as a starting point or input to a community process and

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-11 Thread Nigel Titley via ripe-list
On 23/03/2022 14:38, Niall O'Reilly wrote: Dear Colleagues, [Please view this message as either plain text or HTML, according to your preference.] In view of significant comments received during what we had expected to be a restricted last call, Mirjam and I have decided to make a fresh

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-11 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
No, you're making the mistake if you interpret that I'm considering a single case. When I read any proposed document, I try to think ahead in what can be wrong "in the future" not just according to the past, because clearly the goal is to avoid issues in the future. The past only tells us what

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Sun, Apr 10, 2022 at 08:01:23PM +0200, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list wrote: > Clearly the goal is to get the job done. > > If TF members "a, b and c" agree to work on that, but they disagree to work > with "d, e and f", and "d, e and f" have no problem to work with "a, b and > c",

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
Hi Gert, Clearly the goal is to get the job done. If TF members "a, b and c" agree to work on that, but they disagree to work with "d, e and f", and "d, e and f" have no problem to work with "a, b and c", the ones that are avoiding the work to be done is "a, b and c", not the others. So,

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-10 Thread Gert Doering
Hi, On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 02:38:32PM +, Niall O'Reilly wrote: > Please let us know what you think, in sufficient numbers so that we can > understand whether the draft enjoys community consensus. I find v3 a reasonable description of the roles and processes of (formal) task forces, and

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
One more point that I forgot. An additional argument to consider my inputs, specially 1 and 2, is that the creation of a TF, don’t have an appeal process. So, unless we add that complexity, the best way to avoid it, is precisely to ensure that 1 and 2 are resolved, so there is no need to

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-04-10 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ripe-list
Hi Niall, all, I need to insist in some of the points that I’ve raised on February 20th, rephrasing them a little bit, considering the new version: Elements of the TF structure of work (Rationale, Charter, etc.). I don’t agree it should be the Chair unique responsibility to define them.

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-03-25 Thread Daniel Karrenberg via ripe-list
Much improved! I suggest to make the RIPE NCC staff support optional. It may not be necessery or even appropriate in some cases. Either way the document has my support. Daniel -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options,

Re: [ripe-list] Draft Document: RIPE Task Forces - Definition and Guidelines - v3

2022-03-25 Thread Sander Steffann
> On 23 Mar 2022, at 22:29, Randy Bush wrote: > > /me likes > > randy I fully agree :) Sander signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -- To unsubscribe from this mailing list, get a password reminder, or change your subscription options, please visit: