Re: [RDD] normalization

2014-01-23 Thread ermina
Hello, My goal is to have every cut come out at the same average level. you might want to try loudness normalization. Some tools to do that in rivendell (touching only the Cut Gain value) are evoked in the following threads:

[RDD] normalization

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Howard - CBR
I am importing spoken-word .mp3 files. There is a wide variation in audio level. I am using rdimport from the command line with minimal option flags, I think that means I am getting the default normalization. My goal is to have every cut come out at the same average level. I am going into

Re: [RDD] normalization

2014-01-22 Thread Robert Jeffares
Chris, the audio you are dealing with is going to be challenging to deal with on a straight normalisation basis. Normalisation just sets the levels based on the electrical signal. Loudness is determined by what that signal is composed of and what the processing people call density. A

Re: [RDD] normalization

2014-01-22 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 22 January 2014 05:38:46 pm Robert Jeffares wrote: Spoken word is a challenge, especially if there is to be some preservation of the nuances in the voice that a good story teller uses for dramatic effect. The kind of processing they use on AllHitMusic stations will destroy all

Re: [RDD] normalization

2014-01-22 Thread Chris Howard - CBR
Which adjustment control in the clip editing tool should I use? And does it change the actual volume of the cut while being edited? On 1/22/2014 6:41 PM, Cowboy wrote: On Wednesday 22 January 2014 05:38:46 pm Robert Jeffares wrote: Spoken word is a challenge, especially if there is to be

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-12 Thread Fernando Della Torre
Hello all! Just a though: We worry a lot about dynamics but we spend thousands on optimods (althought I love them) to reduce and control the dynamics and keep louder onair. I hope someday the loudness war ends and music survives. Regards, Atenciosamente, ** ** *Fernando Della Torre*

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Landry
There seems to be more than one definition of normalization. I understand normalize to mean adjusting the peak level of an audio file by multiplying all its samples by a single value chosen to make the highest result match a desired level (in this case, -13dbFS). This sort of normalization

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-12 Thread Rob Landry
On Tue, 11 Dec 2012, Cowboy wrote: OK. There is one reason to up the levels. ONE ! That reason is noise. All amplifiers have a noise floor. Pick any audio amp. Disconnect and short out the input. Turn the volume all The WAY UP ! What do you hear ? You hear the self-noise of the amp. THE

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-12 Thread Cowboy
On Wednesday 12 December 2012 07:15:21 am Fernando Della Torre wrote: We worry a lot about dynamics but we spend thousands on optimods (althought I love them) to reduce and control the dynamics and keep louder onair. We worry about dynamics as appropriate for our situation. In some cases,

[RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Alessio Elmi
Hi, just a curiosity :-) As many of you I have imported tons of songs in the library normalizing everything at -13dBFS. I read somewhere that this number comes from the conversion between analog (plus headroom) to digital. Is that right? I really trust in you, but don't you think you loose a lot

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Fernando Della Torre
Nowadays I'd use RMS normalizing or even better R128. Atenciosamente, ** ** *Fernando Della Torre* Tecnologia da Informação (: +55 16 8137-1240 (: +55 16 9137-2886 *: *f...@vdit.com.br* V.D.I.T. Soluções em Virtualização ** ** ** ** A utilização deste e-mail não

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Cowboy
On Tuesday 11 December 2012 09:31:05 am Alessio Elmi wrote: Hi, just a curiosity :-) As many of you I have imported tons of songs in the library normalizing everything at -13dBFS. I read somewhere that this number comes from the conversion between analog (plus headroom) to digital. Is that

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Alessio Elmi
Interesting.. @Fernando: so you normalize files before going into Rivendell and disable rd.normaliz? Or you have found a way to combine R128 on-the-fly inside 'rdimport'? @Cowboy: well I was born in the digital era and I am not very confident with analog/electrical measures. I am learning

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Robert
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 12:40 -0500, Cowboy wrote: For me and mine, I'd rather stay away from the certainty of severe distortion running out of head room, in favor of the maybe some ONE out there *might* notice a little noise on the quietest passages. Amen to that. Robert

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Alessio Elmi
I reply only to you... When you say anything above -24 is pointless you mean normalizing louder than -24? So even with high dynamic music (like classical for example) you don't feel the risk of music loss? An other interesting thing is that - as I was saying music normalized at -13 (obviously

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Robert
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 15:31 +0100, Alessio Elmi wrote: but don't you think you loose a lot of information by doing this normalization? Alessio, setting up the programme chain in a radio or tv or anything else is a constant trade off between the highest electrical level the sound will produce,

Re: [RDD] Normalization of audio file

2012-12-11 Thread Robert
On Tue, 2012-12-11 at 20:06 +0100, Alessio Elmi wrote: An other interesting thing is that - as I was saying music normalized at -13 (obviously that's the highest peak!) goes out (through Delta 1010) and get the mixer i bit low... VU meter (with no gain) goes around -15/-10... BUT if I

[RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread Rob Landry
What normalization levels do folks here use? I just discovered that one client of mine nornmalizes everything to -13 dB while another client normalizes to -18 dB. Rob ___ Rivendell-dev mailing list Rivendell-dev@lists.rivendellaudio.org

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread Fernando Della Torre
I Always used the default -13dB and it just works fine. Fernando Della Torre (16) 8137-1240 (16) 9137-2886 2012/3/19 Rob Landry 41001...@interpring.com What normalization levels do folks here use? I just discovered that one client of mine nornmalizes everything to -13 dB while

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread James Harrison
Personally I don't normalize at all in Rivendell but use r128gain and some scripts to get everything lined up at -23 LUFS coming into RD. When I've been using RD's inbuilt normalization I usually stick to the default of -13 dB. Cheers, James Harrison On 19/03/2012 13:23, Rob Landry wrote:

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread Fernando Della Torre
Just an observation, Although I've been using the default -13 dB normalization, I always adjust the level based on the VU and my own ears. I think Rivendell uses the peaks values to normalize and it is valid to avoid distortion, but remember that nowaday's recordings have almost no dinamic range

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread James Harrison
Yeah, the peak normalization in RD is completely fine for avoiding clipping, but you really need a manual operator to keep an eye (well, ear, technically) on loudness levels. Mostly I'm using Rivendell in heavily unattended situations, hence normalizing to loudness with a peak based clip

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread Cowboy
On Monday 19 March 2012 09:23:05 am Rob Landry wrote: What normalization levels do folks here use? I'd expect almost as many answers, and as many reasons, as there are subscribers to the list ! Mine follows. I just discovered that one client of mine nornmalizes everything to -13 dB while

Re: [RDD] Normalization

2012-03-19 Thread Gavin Stephens
Same here, I do not normalise to a peak level. I amply or change the gain of a track based on VU and ears, so everything coming out is a reasonable consistent mix at segue time. I use -16dBFS for 0VU (+4dBu) using a 1KHz sinewave. I don't live record to Rivendell and since the cheaper