[sage-devel] new talk: The Development of Symbolic Calculus in Sage

2010-07-16 Thread William Stein
http://wstein.org/talks/stein-sd24/stein-sd24.pdf -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com

[sage-devel] sage is getting big

2010-07-16 Thread William Stein
Here are some stats about "lines in the sage library" of Sage-4.5: cd SAGE_ROOT/devel/sage/sage/ - There are 659 Cython files in Sage: flat:sage wstein$ find . -print |grep "pyx\|pxi\|pxd" |wc -l 659 - There are XX Cython modules in Sage flat:sage wstein$ grep Extension ../module_li

Re: [sage-devel] ATLAS - proposal to allow a threaded build.

2010-07-16 Thread Martin Albrecht
> How does this sound. > > 1) We add an environment variable SAGE_ATLAS_THREADS > 2) If unset, then the behavior is unchanged, so we build an unthreaded > ATLAS. 3) If set to "auto": > > $ export SAGE_ATLAS_THREADS=auto > > then we let ATLAS automatically determine the number of threads. (I thin

Re: [sage-devel] Import problems

2010-07-16 Thread Carl Witty
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:21 PM, koffie wrote: > Dear All, > > I was writing some code for sage and ran into trouble. The code was > working just fine when it was a standalone function. Then I tried to > add it to a pyx file (sage/rings/fraction_field_element.pyx to be > precise) and ran into trou

Re: [sage-devel] About mpmath and sympy

2010-07-16 Thread François Bissey
> As an aside, if two upstream packages include another upstream > package (e.g. both include GMP) what does Sage do? Are there > two copies of GMP? They could have different versions of the > same package since project 1 could have stopped at one version > and project 2 could have stopped at anoth

[sage-devel] Import problems

2010-07-16 Thread koffie
Dear All, I was writing some code for sage and ran into trouble. The code was working just fine when it was a standalone function. Then I tried to add it to a pyx file (sage/rings/fraction_field_element.pyx to be precise) and ran into trouble. Somewhere in the code I would like to use the command

Re: [sage-devel] About mpmath and sympy

2010-07-16 Thread Tim Daly
As an aside, if two upstream packages include another upstream package (e.g. both include GMP) what does Sage do? Are there two copies of GMP? They could have different versions of the same package since project 1 could have stopped at one version and project 2 could have stopped at another. Sage

Re: [sage-devel] About mpmath and sympy

2010-07-16 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
2010/7/16 François Bissey : >>   Hi, >> >>   Newer sympy has a bundled copy of mpmath, what causes several >> problems in my sagemath package. I was in vacation during most of >> Mandriva 2010.1 freeze, and did not fully test the package for some >> time, but I am working on an update for it; basic

Re: [sage-devel] ATLAS - proposal to allow a threaded build.

2010-07-16 Thread Carl Witty
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > How does this sound. > > 1) We add an environment variable SAGE_ATLAS_THREADS > 2) If unset, then the behavior is unchanged, so we build an unthreaded > ATLAS. > 3) If set to "auto": > > $ export SAGE_ATLAS_THREADS=auto > > then we let ATL

[sage-devel] ATLAS - proposal to allow a threaded build.

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Currently, when ATLAS builds in Sage, it uses this option to the configure scrip, it used the option -t 0, which disables threading. The comment in spkg-install-script says: # -t 0: disable threading for now. and we can see that actually happens. ../src/configure --prefix="$SAGE_LOCAL

Re: [sage-devel] About mpmath and sympy

2010-07-16 Thread François Bissey
> Hi, > > Newer sympy has a bundled copy of mpmath, what causes several > problems in my sagemath package. I was in vacation during most of > Mandriva 2010.1 freeze, and did not fully test the package for some > time, but I am working on an update for it; basically an 's/import > mpmath/import

[sage-devel] Re: undo function in notebook stuffed entirely

2010-07-16 Thread kcrisman
I can confirm that in 4.4.4 ALL revisions (there were 11, including some from '1 day ago') of a worksheet I am working on are identical to the current revision, which they definitely should not be! This isn't exactly the same as Stan's issue, but almost certainly related. Stan, can you post which

[sage-devel] About mpmath and sympy

2010-07-16 Thread Paulo César Pereira de Andrade
Hi, Newer sympy has a bundled copy of mpmath, what causes several problems in my sagemath package. I was in vacation during most of Mandriva 2010.1 freeze, and did not fully test the package for some time, but I am working on an update for it; basically an 's/import mpmath/import sympy.mpmath

[sage-devel] Re: Fwd: Re: [R] Mathematica and R

2010-07-16 Thread kcrisman
Thanks! I replied to this in at least a preliminary way. But he is right that the easy-to-find documentation on many of the interfaces in practical terms is pretty rudimentary. - kcrisman On Jul 16, 3:12 pm, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: > I happened to notice this on r-help. > > Dave > > > > -

[sage-devel] Fwd: Re: [R] Mathematica and R

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
I happened to notice this on r-help. Dave Original Message Subject: Re: [R] Mathematica and R Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 13:48:49 -0400 From: David Bickel To: r-h...@r-project.org Hi Albyn, Thank you very much for the suggestion. I managed to install Sage on Windows (via a Li

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:30 AM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > On 07/16/10 10:42 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> >> On 2010-Jul-16 10:48:15 +0200, William Stein  wrote: >>> >>> worked".  This wouldn't be likely with Microsoft's own compilers... >>> For starters, the Singular developers don't work with thos

Re: [sage-devel] Should we create a 'reversed' deps file for test purposes?

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 9:55 AM, wrote: > Currently the spkg/standard/deps file has the dependancies for Sage listed > in alphabetical order. I suspect that might mean for serial builds, if there > are no stated dependancies, things build in alphabetical order. > > all: $(BASE) \ > $(INST)/$(ATLA

[sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread Dima Pasechnik
there are many major Sage components that do not build natively on Windows, e.g. GAP, and where native ports are not on roadmaps of the corresponding development teams. Other platforms might have a better chance, e.g. GAP is very compiler- tolerant (as there is no C++ there). Dima On Jul 16, 10:4

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 07/16/10 03:03 PM, Sergey Bochkanov wrote: Hello, Dr.. You wrote 16 июля 2010 г., 17:37:25: So if spkg-check is executed, I can be sure that spkg was successfully installed into system? Not exactly, as some packages unfortunately ignore errors, so if the package fails to install, you will n

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Unreasonable docfails in symbolic/random_tests.py

2010-07-16 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
Thank you!!! Andrey On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:36 PM, Carl Witty wrote: > On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Andrey Novoseltsev > wrote: >> Hi Carl, >> >> For example this installation of sage-4.5.alpha1 >> >> novos...@sage:/scratch/novoselt/sage-4.5.alpha1/devel/sage-main$ hg >> qapplied >> tra

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Sergey Bochkanov
Hello, Dr.. You wrote 16 июля 2010 г., 17:37:25: >> So if spkg-check is executed, I can be sure that spkg was successfully >> installed into system? > Not exactly, as some packages unfortunately ignore errors, so if the package > fails to install, you will not know it. I am talking about my own

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 07/16/10 02:32 PM, Sergey Bochkanov wrote: Hello, William. You wrote 16 июля 2010 г., 17:12:53: I have a question about spkg-check file. When does it executed - after spkg-install call or independently of it? After. So if spkg-check is executed, I can be sure that spkg was successfully in

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Sergey Bochkanov
Hello, William. You wrote 16 июля 2010 г., 17:12:53: >> I have a question about spkg-check file. When does it executed - after >> spkg-install call or independently of it? > After. So if spkg-check is executed, I can be sure that spkg was successfully installed into system? -- With best regards

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Sergey Bochkanov wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question about spkg-check file. When does it executed - after > spkg-install call or independently of it? After. > > -- > With best regards, >  Sergey                          mailto:sergey.bochka...@alglib.net > > --

Re: [sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 07/16/10 01:39 PM, Sergey Bochkanov wrote: Hello, I have a question about spkg-check file. When does it executed - after spkg-install call or independently of it? Only if the environment variable SAGE_CHECK is set to "yes". In other words, by default spkg-check does not run. Personally

[sage-devel] Re: multivariate polynomial multiplication, division, GCD, factorization

2010-07-16 Thread parisse
> I'm *REALLY*, really, really confused about which tarball is the > source code for the > latest version of giac.  Just to clarify, please send me a direct link > in email here, please. > Should be there http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~parisse/giac/giac_unstable.tgz or there ftp://ftp-fourier

[sage-devel] Re: IDE's; science/engineering

2010-07-16 Thread dagss
On Jul 11, 12:20 pm, William Stein wrote: > 2. Sage at EuroScipy: > > Another thing -- though most talks mention Cython, not one single talk > given about actual engineers/scientists doing work even mentioned Sage > -- and there were over 30 talks.  Perhaps there is no penetration at > all of Sage

[sage-devel] spkg-check

2010-07-16 Thread Sergey Bochkanov
Hello, I have a question about spkg-check file. When does it executed - after spkg-install call or independently of it? -- With best regards, Sergey mailto:sergey.bochka...@alglib.net -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscrib

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
On 07/16/10 10:42 AM, Peter Jeremy wrote: On 2010-Jul-16 10:48:15 +0200, William Stein wrote: worked". This wouldn't be likely with Microsoft's own compilers... For starters, the Singular developers don't work with those compilers, so the Singular devs will make all kinds of code changes, whic

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jul-16 10:48:15 +0200, William Stein wrote: >worked". This wouldn't be likely with Microsoft's own compilers... >For starters, the Singular developers don't work with those compilers, >so the Singular devs will make all kinds of code changes, which would >then have to be ported/fixed. As

[sage-devel] Re: include PyCryptoPlus?

2010-07-16 Thread Martin Albrecht
I've opened a ticket at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/9515 about creating an optional PyCryptoPlus package. Cheers, Martin -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups

Re: [sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 9:45 AM, Georg S. Weber wrote: > > > On 15 Jul., 14:17, Francesco Biscani wrote: >> [possibly OT] Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for going for >> SAGE on Cygwin instead of MinGW? >> >> Cheers, >> >>  Francesco. > > AFAIR, > > only the Cygwin environment is able t

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Re: [sage-release] Re: sage-4.5.rc1 released

2010-07-16 Thread Robert Miller
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Robert Miller wrote: > resolved, but since I've already got the build going on taurus, I > won't stop it. All tests pass on taurus as well! -- Robert L. Miller http://www.rlmiller.org/ -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To

[sage-devel] Re: cephes is seriously broken

2010-07-16 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 15 Jul., 14:17, Francesco Biscani wrote: > [possibly OT] Out of curiosity, what was the rationale for going for > SAGE on Cygwin instead of MinGW? > > Cheers, > >  Francesco. AFAIR, only the Cygwin environment is able to provide pty's (pseudo tty's) under Windows, which are needed for the p