[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Nils Bruin
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 7:35:06 PM UTC-7, Robert Dodier wrote: > > Is there a tl;dr somewhere which says what is the problem that Mma got > wrong? and I gather there is an incorrect integral too? > Here's an integral maxima gets wrong with abs_integrate loaded: integrate(integrate(abs(e

Re: [sage-devel] Re: "Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?"

2014-10-25 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 7:26 PM, Robert Dodier wrote: > On 2014-10-24, Jakob Kroeker wrote: > >> I'm doing this: since in the recent project I ran into many bugs in a >> well-known CAS, and now I do not trust any function I use and started >> to look actively for bugs (testing and code reviewing)

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Robert Dodier
On 2014-10-25, William Stein wrote: > They are fun aren't they -- no login required. Here's one > illustrating two of the integrals in that article that Mathematica > gets wrong -- it has some 2d and 3d plots (!): Is there a tl;dr somewhere which says what is the problem that Mma got wrong? an

[sage-devel] Re: "Can We Trust Computer Algebra Systems?"

2014-10-25 Thread Robert Dodier
On 2014-10-24, Jakob Kroeker wrote: > I'm doing this: since in the recent project I ran into many bugs in a > well-known CAS, and now I do not trust any function I use and started > to look actively for bugs (testing and code reviewing) and discovered > about 100 bugs during the last year. > So

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:34 PM, William Stein wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2014 5:53 PM, "Jason Grout" wrote: >> >> On 10/25/14, 15:04, William Stein wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout >>> wrote: On 10/25/14, 0:07, William Stein wrote: > > > They are fun

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread William Stein
On Oct 25, 2014 5:53 PM, "Jason Grout" wrote: > > On 10/25/14, 15:04, William Stein wrote: >> >> On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout >> wrote: >>> >>> On 10/25/14, 0:07, William Stein wrote: They are fun aren't they -- no login required. >>> >>> >>> >>> It seems that often

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Jason Grout
On 10/25/14, 15:04, William Stein wrote: On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout wrote: On 10/25/14, 0:07, William Stein wrote: They are fun aren't they -- no login required. It seems that often, though, the login page or the project settings page flashes up for a second or less, whic

Re: [sage-devel] Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-25 Thread Francois Bissey
In the case of iml, the upgrade to 1.0.4 should solve the failing test problem. In 1.0.3 and under there was always something that was bound to fail on OS X. At least that’s how I remember it. Not sure when I will give the whole thing a spin. I do not see a window of opportunity before Wednesday

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-25 Thread Volker Braun
See also what I wrote in http://trac.sagemath.org/ticket/17204#comment:7 I had already reported the flint one a while ago. Git works for me. I have already made tickets for gsl and m4rie. On Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:26:43 PM UTC+1, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 24, 201

[sage-devel] Re: Sage on OSX 10.10

2014-10-25 Thread John H Palmieri
On Friday, October 24, 2014 6:39:45 AM UTC-7, Volker Braun wrote: > > I have a working Sage on OSX 10.10. I suggest to release that shortly, in > case anybody else made the mistake of upgrading soon after the initial > Yosemite release ;-) Please review > > http://trac.sagemath.org/query?statu

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Oct 2014 19:40, "Volker Braun" wrote: > In any case, the real WTF of the article (besides the low information density) is that Wolfram sat on the bug report for >1 year and did nothing about it. There must be tons of Sage bugs reported which don't get fixed. You can argue about the serious

Re: [sage-devel] The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Oct 2014 01:55, "Jason Grout" wrote: > > The AMS Notices has a column about using computers to do math, dwelling on some problems they had with Mathematica: > > http://www.ams.org/notices/201410/rnoti-p1249.pdf Somewhat related I see an example last week of where I think the use of compute

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Dmitrii Pasechnik
On 2014-10-25, Volker Braun wrote: > --=_Part_265_1870362412.1414262432518 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:44:06 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: >> >> Indeed, bugs can be (dare I say-- are) introduced by allowing >> random people to modify code. >> > > Flame

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread William Stein
On Sat, Oct 25, 2014 at 6:37 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 10/25/14, 0:07, William Stein wrote: >> >> They are fun aren't they -- no login required. > > > It seems that often, though, the login page or the project settings page > flashes up for a second or less, which is confusing. Do you know why

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Volker Braun
On Saturday, October 25, 2014 6:44:06 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: > > Indeed, bugs can be (dare I say-- are) introduced by allowing > random people to modify code. > Flamebait or just hilariously wrong misconception of open source? In any case, the real WTF of the article (besides the low information

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread rjf
A fairly bogus article for AMS. First of all, reporting a bug in the calculation of determinant in Mathematica does not require several pages. Secondly, if an algorithm for a problem has a flaw, and the same algorithm is used in 2 CAS, it doesn't support anything that the answers are the same.

[sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Jason Grout
On 10/25/14, 0:07, William Stein wrote: They are fun aren't they -- no login required. It seems that often, though, the login page or the project settings page flashes up for a second or less, which is confusing. Do you know why the signup page or settings page might come up first, then be r

Re: [sage-devel] Re: The Misfortunes of a Trio of Mathematicians Using Computer Algebra Systems

2014-10-25 Thread Dr. David Kirkby (Kirkby Microwave Ltd)
On 25 Oct 2014 05:07, "William Stein" wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:32 PM, Jason Grout > wrote: > > And here's a public worksheet: > > https://cloud.sagemath.com/projects/49a2531d-9d02-42c9-9db6-f9551fbfa59e/files/2014-10-24-212837.sagews > > > > (Thanks, William, for making public worksh