s venv/var/lib/sage/" say?)
>> If you do something like "/usr/bin/python3 -m pip install --user numpy",
>> does it succeed and what whl file does it try to install?
>>
>> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 1:01:54 PM UTC-8 Emil Widmann wrote:
>>
>
ceeded in building any platform wheels yet? (What
> does "ls venv/var/lib/sage/" say?)
> If you do something like "/usr/bin/python3 -m pip install --user numpy",
> does it succeed and what whl file does it try to install?
>
> On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 1:01:5
< I don't really wee why it could not be user-friendly, can you elaborate
on this?
I think cygwin is a lot slower than virtualisation - or has this changed?
Am Montag, 4. April 2016 14:38:41 UTC+2 schrieb Sebastien Gouezel:
>
>
>
> Le lundi 4 avril 2016 11:48:34 UTC+2, Erik Bray a écrit :
>>
Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox
commandline options. I am going to give that a try.
cheers
emil
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 08:33:08 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo:
On Mon, 1 Sep 2014, Emil Widmann wrote:
Sure, more work is needed.
I just included
:
Does that show the IP from the point of view of the guest, or from the
host?
If the ports are correctly forwarded, localhost or 127.0.0.1 should work.
El martes, 2 de septiembre de 2014 11:41:16 UTC+2, Emil Widmann escribió:
Thanks for that line, looks promising! - you sure know your Vbox
UTC+1, Emil Widmann wrote:
I used bridged network, because I preconfigured a small sage server.
Passwords are not known, but can be reset in the VM.
Am Dienstag, 2. September 2014 13:42:20 UTC schrieb Volker Braun:
That depends on whether the virtualbox networking is set to NAT or
bridged
part and maybe/maybe not setup a different download location.
kind regards
emil
Am Sonntag, 31. August 2014 18:15:44 UTC+2 schrieb Volker Braun:
Links don't work (home directories on boxen are private now)
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:57:20 PM UTC+1, Emil Widmann wrote:
It is all old stuff
the VM with graphic then there is a colour popup, which shows
the IP adress.
There is also a small sage server included which should serve to several
different users on a small network.
kind regards
emil
Am Montag, 1. September 2014 11:52:41 UTC schrieb Jori Mantysalo:
On Sun, 31 Aug 2014
illegal books
publicly, then I get contacted by angry publishers and authors.
This should now work:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/emil/
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:31 AM, Emil Widmann emil.w...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
Oh, I see. I got reports from people who couldn't
Am Freitag, 29. August 2014 07:36:05 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Emil Widmann wrote:
However, can we put VirtualBox and Sage to one .exe? What is really
needed
is to convert http://wiki.sagemath.org/SageAppliance to be just 1)
Download this .exe, 2
wine should work
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 1:00:46 PM UTC, Volker Braun wrote:
How do I build it from a script on Linux?
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 12:50:52 PM UTC+1, Emil Widmann wrote:
Am Freitag, 29. August 2014 07:36:05 UTC+2 schrieb Jori Mantysalo:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2014, Emil
It is all old stuff. Links to sources etc are here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sage-windows/yoAcv8W5Fw0
Am Sonntag, 31. August 2014 13:40:03 UTC schrieb Volker Braun:
Maybe yes, maybe no. Which steps did you do to get the output?
On Sunday, August 31, 2014 2:11:03 PM UTC+1, Emil
. Still it is my opinion that
a small image with an optimized userinterface would be the best use of
developer hours and skill to improve the sage on windows experience for
new users and students. With the exception of using the Cloud, of course.
Cheers
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Am Donnerstag, 28. August 2014 11:30:21 UTC+2 schrieb wstein:
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Emil Widmann emil.w...@gmail.com
javascript: wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 27. August 2014 21:00:49 UTC+2 schrieb Travis Scrimshaw:
IMO there are three big issues with the current Sage
However, can we put VirtualBox and Sage to one .exe? What is really needed
is to convert http://wiki.sagemath.org/SageAppliance to be just 1)
Download this .exe, 2) Doubleclick it, 3) Ready.
Yes, I wrote an installer which included the VirtualBox installer and the
Sage Appliance inside one
there don't work any more...
To sum up, enduser experience of the VM approach could be improved quite
easily.
But whatever, everybody who is online can use the SageCloud. This should
take care for most users independent of OS.
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I try to build Sage on sage-debian-live (Live USB) with atlas package from
debian.
I use the following settings:
#!/bin/sh
# build script to build sage micro release
# build utils
sudo apt-get install binutils gcc gfortran make m4 perl tar
# use default debian lapack - compatibility and also
My guess would be /usr/lib/atlas-base for SAGE_ATLAS_LIB, but since you
don't list the whole directory content you'll have to read the above
paragraph to answer whether it's actually correct.
I tried this, but it doesn|t work. If I look at the error messages I think
SAGE_ATLAS_LIB is
Am Mittwoch, 25. Dezember 2013 20:40:41 UTC schrieb Thierry
(sage-googlesucks@xxx):
Hi,
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 02:07:12PM -0800, Emil Widmann wrote:
I am trying to build the latest sage release with the possible goal of
releasing another Live image version (USB/CD/HD disk image
Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2013 22:36:34 UTC schrieb Volker Braun:
On Monday, December 23, 2013 10:07:12 PM UTC, Emil Widmann wrote
*Hiccup 2: SAGE_FAT_BINARIES / SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH conflict*
It seems that you set both, which does not make sense. SAGE_FAT_BINARY=yes
will build a binary
Am Montag, 23. Dezember 2013 22:39:21 UTC schrieb Volker Braun:
Also, fortran is a build-time dependency (but not runtime). You either
install your distro's fortran, or you compile gcc (which includes fortran).
You did both.
OK, this is clear in hindsight, and after reading the
Am Dienstag, 24. Dezember 2013 08:09:59 UTC schrieb Jeroen Demeyer:
On 2013-12-23 23:07, Emil Widmann wrote:
*Hiccup1 - needs gfortran to build atlas package:*
I had an error about missing fortran just befor atlas build
This shouldn't happen, normally Sage will install gfortran itself
and
SAGE_ATLAS_ARCH are exclusive) and that SAGE_FAT_BINARIES implies base
target for atlas. Additional examples what base means for the most common
architectures would be terrific! Thanks again and cheers
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I am trying to build the latest sage release with the possible goal of
releasing another Live image version (USB/CD/HD disk image).
*uname -a*
Linux debian 3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.46-1+deb7u1~bpo60+1
i686 GNU/Linux
Target: i486-linux-gnu
gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8)
I
Am Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 07:05:54 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald:
Hi Jason,
No, I don't have an account. Yes, that would be reasonable from my side.
Regards,
Jan
Maybe ask W. Stein directly about server access. I think it should be
possible to get an account.
Although I made the
. Homepage:
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/en/. Installation to
harddisk with personal save-file for persistence needs min 850 MB disc
space. Sage html doc included. If installed to harddisk with
personal-savefile for persistence it will need 1,2 GB in frugal install
mode
Am Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2013 16:56:41 UTC+1 schrieb Jan Groenewald:
Hi
On 15 January 2013 23:47, Jason Grout jason...@creativetrax.comjavascript:
wrote:
I'm really interested in a USB image that I can hand to students that
want to do development with me that:
* I can modify (to
hardware
drivers, language support, keyboard support, installation problems etc. As
an example let me quote a response I got from a Guy from Iran.
rasul wrote:
Hi emil and thanks for your great job, I have used your previous sagelive
and now I am managing to use your new one for my dissertation, 50
it here http://sagemath.org/download-livecd.html
or maybe here http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/en/
older versions http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelive/
For Mac, you need to also use rEFIt boot manager, but you can use the same
ISO for installing Ubuntu:
http
On Thursday, December 6, 2012 2:05:52 AM UTC+8, kcrisman wrote:
As for equipment, there's been talk recently about a bootable USB thumb
drive with Sage on it. Having various ways to hand out Sage to people who
bring their laptops by would be great.
The possibility to create working
spent considerable
time building some virtual machines myself. I made a very small one which
has lowest possible requirements (size 400 MB)
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/VM/sage-lite2.ova
Existing live CD installed on a USB key is a good option, but :
- The .exe file that installs
accounts)
- sshd
- replaced busybox less with full version, so sage-help in commandline works
- added Gnutls for certificats (certtool)
Download link:
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelive/sagelive-511-53.iso
You can use unetbootin or other tools to create bootable USB sticks, or
test
to users (somehow) that the 'e' notation is part of Python and
not Sage.
Emil
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this in production code Could the code be patched so
that instead of bailing out with an error, a slow non-random method
was used instead? (I don't feel competent myself to make such a
change...)
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in a genuine application - I'm wasn't trying
to break echelonize or anything.)
(I'm not sure how to get the seed.)
Emil
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Thanks! I'm trying to reproduce it, but haven't been successful so far.
But in the meantime, it does seem slightly unsatisfactory that
something with an obvious deterministic algorithm can fail for random
reasons. And that this has been observed in a real situation.
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I am trying to use the Gram Schmidt orthogonalization process on a
matrix over a number field. The following code works on Sage 4.7, but
not on 4.8. There doesn't appear to be any tickets registered about
this, so I thought I would try it here. Sorry if this is the wrong
place ! - Emil.
sage
To reply to my own message, it seems the old version of gram_schmidt
is still knocking around in sage.modules.misc, so that is a
work-around. Emil
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I forward the following from sage-support because I know to little to
answer those issues competently and I also think those questions
shouldn't pass uncommented:
From:
http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support/browse_thread/thread/c46950723108a191#
Hi there,
here are some bugs which may or
@mmarco
I use unionfs to mix the squashed filesystem with a directory to save
the changes. Maybe that would be a source of errors if somebody makes
changes in his sage directory and then upgrade by replacing the
compressed file.
I think the unionfs is a well tested technology now, but a clean
as the size of the
VM discussion - I won't argue about pulling in additional 1 or 2
MB's ;-).
For anybody interested, this is the code (VBscript ) of the NSIS Sage-
Virtualbox Windows installer.
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/Win-Inst/SageWinInstBuildDir/main.nsi
It mostly brings up some
for
Windows.
You can explain better what I mean than myself. That's quite
embarrassing, but well ...
Thanks
emil
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- October, but I will lurk around a bit and follow whats going
on.
cheers
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On Feb 5, 12:23 pm, Dima Pasechnik dimp...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, 5 February 2012 18:08:46 UTC+8, mmarco wrote:
On 5 feb, 09:30, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I think thats all premature optimization. First we need a bulletproof
way
of running Sage in the VM. At the
On Feb 4, 8:25 pm, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
I have been working on a VM with compressed filesystems. I have
thought that maybe a good aproach to the automatic generation
problem would be to mount the sage directory from a compressed file in
a shared folder. It should need, as William
on the webpage it says:
Microsoft Windows
VMware images can be downloaded from
http://www.sagemath.org/download-windows.html
These should be reliable, though we do not test these prior to
releasing Sage.
Use VirtualBox instead of VMware?
There has been a lot of confusion about those two
don't know details about Volker Brauns build script for
the VM Fedora image, but maybe it is enough to compile the tested code
on the existing base image.
emil
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On Jan 13, 6:05 pm, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
Working in my own VM, i have noticed a problem of the browser inside
the VM aproach: keyboard layout. Is there a way to make VirtualBox
use the host layout inside the guest?
With my current VM (Live CD) I had a flag that brings up a menu to
perhaps instead of opening a browser in VM, we should rather open a
terminal window there, maybe with Sage started?
This is exactly the current solution (The version which we currently
distribute).
The whole discussion is about improving the Out of the Box experience,
where especially the 1st
On 11 Jan., 16:56, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
The virtual machine has hardware virtualization support enabled. You can
probably switch on HW virtualization in the BIOS of your computer, which is
recommended if you do any virtualization. You can also disable it in the
settings of
VirtualBox / Sage installer
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/en/Windows_Installer.html
this image has still some shortcommings compared to Mr. Steins
specifications.
Most notably mouse integration (i.e. VB Guest additions) and autostart
of the browser (minor issue).
a proper
/Sage-5pre-a-x64.iso /path_to/isoimage
then copy the folders /boot and /porteus from the iso image to the
hard disk.
( I assume in / of sda1)
add a Grub entry to menu.lst:
Title test Porteus Sage Live CD
root (hd0,0)
kernel /boot/vmlinuz
initrd /boot/initrd.xz
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Despite being 32-bit, the VM still sees a very modern processor, though, so
it is possible something could go wrong on old hardware. If someone advises
me on exactly what to do, I could try building a binary that should be
usable on old machines. Would it be enough to do
export
screenshots
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/en/Windows_Installer.html
In principle it is possible to build such an installer for any Sage
virtual machine.
It just needs an ova file.
I'm currently uploading sources of the installer to
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/Win
Volker Braun wrote:
Sounds great. The crucial feature to get right is to detect already
installed instances of VirtualBox or (any other hypervisor) and then NOT
install VirtualBox which will either fail to install or install and fight
the competition when you try to reboot ;-)
It uses the
On Dec 1, 6:43 pm, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
VirtualBox is GPL version 2. Oracle has a more-restricted add-on package to
support virtual USB and so on, but we don't need that for Sage purposes.
Also we are not linking to VirtualBox, so there shouldn't be any conflict
with GPL
to install a whistle and bells extension spkg.
kind regards
emil
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be cool if it would develop in that direction.
cheers
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Try shift clicking on the blue line that appears
when you put your mouse between code cells.
sometimes one has to admit total noobiness to learn something :-)
thank you
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On Nov 19, 11:23 am, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
I propose that we just add a doctest that makes it clear that you shouldn't
run doctests as root. No more mysterious failures.
sage: import os
sage: try:
... uid = os.getuid()
... except AttributeError:
for the last one (crash in digraph.py).
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12054
thanks
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Volker Braun wrote:
I propose that we just add a doctest that makes it clear that you shouldn't
run doctests as root. No more mysterious failures.
sage: import os
sage: try:
...uid = os.getuid()
... except AttributeError:
...uid = -1
sage: if uid==0:
I created a ticket ...
http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12042
I will also email H. Shilly about it
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About the failing test
sage -t -force_lib devel/sage/sage/graphs/digraph.py # Killed/
crashed
I ran the test again with -verbose
I think its connected to the routine dcycle.feedback_edge_set (in line
1252) and maybe its an integer / floating error
Trying:
cycle.size()###line 1338:_sage_
of the doctests in the
module, but those where OK.
ok thanks if you read this far :-) any help appreciated.
sincerly
emil
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On Nov 13, 4:53 pm, Nathann Cohen nathann.co...@gmail.com wrote:
Helloo Emil !
Well, it looks like I am to blame for most of these errors :-/
Hi Nathan, thanks for quick response!
I am not sure if those are errors, but when I, as a non export, try to
build sage then I take
Anything that makes the doctests scream qualifies as a bug. Anything
that is not even a bug but that is not the behaviour you expected also
qualifies as a bug, even though it may just mean rewriting some
documentation :-)
Ok I created some tickets:
doctest failure in linear_programming.rst:
How to use the new option for building smaller binaries?
Is it make micro_relase, or do I have to use sage -strip after the
build?
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On Nov 9, 10:59 am, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
I have created a virtual machine with sage and a very minimal system.
In my machine (a core i7 desktop) it boots in less than 10 seconds,
and has a sage server running in around 20 from the pressing of the
start button.
It can be
Is the Sage logo as a vector graphic file somewhere? I want to build
a small virtual machine server (with gui) and would like to make a
nice wallpaper.
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Ok it works - downloading it now. I had to use
wget http://riemann.unizar.es/sagevm/Sage.ova
Anyway - 2 GB is big! - how big is it if you lzma it?
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On Nov 9, 1:04 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 9, 6:18 am, Emil Widmann emil.widm...@gmail.com wrote:
Is the Sage logo as a vector graphic file somewhere? I want to build
a small virtual machine server (with gui) and would like to make a
nice wallpaper.
http
MB, so it would be almoust - 20%.
Main trick to get lower size is to use compressed filesystems
systematically (like squashed fs).
This is my current smallest size machine (with X):
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/VM/sage-lite-vm-a1.ova (412
MB)
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On 9 nov, 16:06, Emil Widmann emil.widm...@gmail.com wrote:
On Nov 9, 1:00 pm, mmarco mma...@unizar.es wrote:
It is that big because just the sage directory itself is very big. The
guest OS is really very minimal: almost no services running, and only
installed the very basic
Made it with Inkscape and Gimp, OK here is it (1600x1050, 270 KB)
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelive/pictures/SageWallpaper.jpg
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Did you zero out
the virtual disk before exporting? There is trash in the unused virtual
disk sectors that impacts compression.
IMHO the most important thing is not cutting down the VM to the minimal
size, but making it easily maintainable by having a script that spits out a
new OVA without
On Nov 9, 5:49 pm, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote:
Nice! So this would be for a background for a computer?
Yeah, its a desktop wallpaper. I wan't to use it as default for my
sage vm.
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Besides the size issue, do you have any other feedback?
OK :-) , finally I managed.
After long download import needs another 8 min on my machine.
Bootup, startup is fast. It works like a treat!
About the size
You have a 16 GB dynamically allocated disk
df -a command gives about 3.5 GB used
I
I have a really dumb question. Do you need a VM player (e.g.,
VirtualBox, VMWare) to use this? Or is that included somehow? Maybe
this is obviously yes but I just didn't see it mentioned earlier in
the thread, sorry if it's noise.
- kcrisman
I found Virtualbox a tad easier to use
documentation. Development and support for it is mostly a
one man show (Volker Braun).
These are my thoughts on the topic, I hope they are not inappropriate.
I know many people worked hard to make that Cygwin port come true. And
sorry for my english.
emil
PS:
the only reasonable chance for a non VM 1
Ok, no troubles reported, it goes out:
release announcement:
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/en/release_notes-511-47.html.html
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then there is a SeaMonkey error because it's waiting for the NB to
start at localhost:8000
I struggled with that briefly, but I couldn't come up with a better
solution so far than just to wait a fixed amount of time
before the start of the browser. Could anyone provide a short snipped
of
On Oct 15, 8:18 am, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
This only requires netcat and bash :-)
===
#!/bin/sh
while true ; do
echo Waiting for notebook to start up...
if nc -d -w 0 localhost 8000 ; then
break
fi
sleep 1
done
echo Starting
kernel 2.6.33.2.
Download release candidate:
http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelive/sagelive-511-47-rc1.iso
also soon on www.mydrive.ch (user: download@sagelive; pwd:
mathematics)
Please report if there are problems. If there are no serious bugs I
will ask Harald Schilly to update
I finally installed VirtualBox and tested the Sage-4.6.2.ova.
unfortunatly I get:
python:error while loading shared libraries: /home/sage/sage/local/lib/
libpython2.6.si.1.0: invalid ELF header.
after booting, so I can't start sage.
It took me a moment to figure out that one has to rename the
Downloaded again and imported as ova. It works fine!
Small issue: I guess you don't plan to support different keyboard
maps - mine is german quertz. But one shouldn't need to type much in
the VM anyway.
what settings would you recommend for a small sage server, like for a
class with 20 people?
I don't have any experience running a class room on top of a VM.
Should work
fine if you give it enough resources.
I thought about something similar to
http://wiki.sagemath.org/DanDrake/JustEnoughSageServer
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On May 15, 11:38 pm, Volker Braun vbraun.n...@gmail.com wrote:
Fair enough. I think 32-bit guests can work with software virtualization
irregardless of the processor/host OS bitwidth, so thats probably safer. I
made another VM with F14 i386 + Sage-4.6.2:
ideas from the sage-lithe VM prototype (407
MB)http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelithe/vm-sage-lithe-a1.zip
could be utilized. In itself this version is not optimized yet (e.g.
full xorg and xvesa)
regards
emil
Was this assembled by hand or by a script?
This was purely by hand
but it was
pointed out in previous discussions that size is not a major concern
for mainstream development. On the other hand with virtual machines
resources of the host are split.
Maybe some ideas from the sage-lithe VM prototype (407 MB)
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/emil/sagelithe/vm
screenshots and detailed benchmarking is
here
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/SageWin/Sage_on_andLinux.html
Thinking twice about it it might be worthwile to offer this andLinus
package, but even better would be to have a preset vm-image, usable
for servers on typical windows school networks
, or something separate? As always,more questions
than answers :-), but my 2 cents.
best
emil
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On Feb 8, 3:39 pm, Niles nil...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello everyone,
I just wanted to let you know that I've made some additions to the
Stack Overflow landing page
http://wiki.sagemath.org/StackOverflowLanding
These are basically the suggestions I opened this thread with, but
I've also
Is by Sage-Windows port meaning a native Windows application rather than
something based on Cygwin?
With Sage - Windows port I was meant the Cygwin port. Or at least any
port that is very easy to install (Windows Installer) and runs with
comparable performance to a Cygwin version inside the
I know this thread is a bit outdated, but I had problems to compile
Atlas in an experiment
and wanted to ask if anybody has tried to use GotoBlas instead of
Atlas in the meantime?
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proposals (to get grants) for
development, but I see H. Schilly has open a thread about Google SOC
2011 with no response so far.
best
emil
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While I use Sage daily on my research I decided that I could not use sage
on my classes for freshmen students until it works on windows.
I am curious, why is using the virtual machine image not feasable?
On new computers it should run with acceptable speed. In classroom it
should be even
I think a cool thing would be a forum for users, where they can
present their work with sage and also interact and work together on a
project. ...
Why don't you research open source web apps that
could provide something like that?
preliminary:
http://sage.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc
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