[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-12-05 Thread Emmanuel Charpentier
(A large part of) the problem is that mathematics are broadly perceived by people in position to decide what to do with them ("deciders" later on) as a set of engeneering tools, and often reduced (even in universities !) as a computational gizmo. The fact that it is also (firstly ?) an

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-27 Thread Henri Girard
They aren't the only ones to get paid for doing pleasure ! Politicians are...and well paied... I had to wait for retirement for doing my pleasure :) Le mercredi 25 novembre 2015 19:18:51 UTC+1, rjf a écrit : > > This is a new book by Michael Harris. > > I have not read it, but there is an

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-26 Thread rjf
I am sure that Dima is not aware of the sarcasm intended in my original posting. I assume it is a language problem. To explain: 1. I was quoting from a review, which quoted from a book. The sentiment was from Mr. Harris. Mr. Harris has written a whole book on mathematics. 2. I am not upset

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread Ralf Stephan
On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:18:51 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: > courses > that serve to crush the dreams of superfluous applicants to  > particularly desirable professions (as freshman calculus used to be a > formal requirement to enter medical school in the United States)" > > Maybe he knows

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread François Bissey
On 11/26/15 17:17, Ralf Stephan wrote: On Wednesday, November 25, 2015 at 7:18:51 PM UTC+1, rjf wrote: courses that serve to crush the dreams of superfluous applicants to particularly desirable professions (as freshman calculus used to be a formal requirement to enter medical school in the

[sage-devel] Re: Mathematics without apologies - Portrait of a Problematical Vocation

2015-11-25 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Let me summarize an exchange of messages I just had with Richard. He is upset by the fact that tax dollars (NSF grants) go to people who have pleasure working. Is he unable to comprehend how this is at all possible? I wonder whether throughout his career he ever had any pleasure working... I