Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-21 Thread Burcin Erocal
On Sat, 20 Feb 2010 13:13:09 -0800 Robert Bradshaw wrote: > On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > > > > I was curious about this, so I tried specifying the number of > > digits: > > > > sage: h = integral(sin(x)/x^2, (x, 1, pi/2)); h > > integrate(sin(x)/x^2, x, 1, 1/2*pi) > > sa

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-21 Thread Georg S. Weber
> > AFAIK, the "_import" module is built by the PIL spkg. Try reinstalling > > it, eventually you have to issue "export SAGE_BINARY_BUILD=yes" > > before, in order to make PIL build sanely (I have to do that every > > time on my production machine). > > I tried reinstalling it, running this export

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-21 Thread Erik Lane
> I'm not suggesting it is a gold standard, but given the results agreed > reasonably closely with Sage, and were computed to arbitrary precision, then > I had a reasonable degree of confidence in believing the "failure" was not > really a failure at all. > Thank you for your very clear explanati

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread John H Palmieri
On Feb 20, 2:09 pm, "Georg S. Weber" wrote: > Hi John, > > AFAIK, the "_import" module is built by the PIL spkg. Try reinstalling > it, eventually you have to issue "export SAGE_BINARY_BUILD=yes" > before, in order to make PIL build sanely (I have to do that every > time on my production machine).

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Erik Lane wrote: That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other, if those results are machine-de

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Georg S. Weber
On 20 Feb., 17:45, John H Palmieri wrote: > On Feb 19, 11:08 am, mhampton wrote: > > > All tests passed on an upgrade from the alpha0, on a 10.6.2 mac. > > -Marshall > > On two separate 10.6.2 machines, I was unable to upgrade successfully: > after upgrading, any attempt to run Sage would give

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Erik Lane
> I think the reason Mathematica was invoked is because it can do arbitrary > precision numerical integration, and a good test to see if the last couple > of digits are right is to compute the result to much higher precision. (We > do have arbitrary precision for lots of other stuff, but much of th

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Harald, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: > Btw. is mpmath-0.14 now in 4.3.3 or not? -> > http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8159 The package mpmath-0.14.spkg wasn't available when I was preparing Sage 4.3.3.alpha1. I think it would need to wait for Sage 4.3.4.

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Harald Schilly
On Feb 20, 10:30 pm, Fredrik Johansson wrote: > You can use mpmath ... Btw. is mpmath-0.14 now in 4.3.3 or not? -> http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8159 h -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-de

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Fredrik Johansson
On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 9:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: > On Feb 19, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: > > On 19 February 2010 06:32, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would > > > be an rc0. The development version of Sage

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:40 PM, John H Palmieri wrote: On Feb 19, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: On 19 February 2010 06:32, Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi folks, This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would be an rc0. The development version of Sage is now in feature freeze

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread John H Palmieri
On Feb 19, 9:11 am, John Cremona wrote: > On 19 February 2010 06:32, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would > > be an rc0. The development version of Sage is now in feature freeze. > > On 32-bit Suse I get this fuzz: > > File

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Robert Bradshaw
On Feb 20, 2010, at 12:13 PM, Erik Lane wrote: That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Erik Lane
> > That's almost certainly true. In fact, the result printed by the "failure" > is more accurate than the expected value! I tried this in Mathematica: > This might be a trivial question, but how do you know which number is more accurate than the other, if those results are machine-dependent? Or i

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Minh Nguyen wrote: Hi Robert, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? And is it O.K. to change doctest instead of fix a bug? The fun

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
Hi Minh thank you very much for explanation. Looks strange for me, but I cannot understand details - I have no education in computer science. I wonder, if Maple, Mathematica or Maxima exihibit similar behavior on various architectures. Does anybody know? Robert On 20 ún, 19:26, Minh Nguyen wro

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread John Cremona
On 20 February 2010 18:26, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Hi Robert, > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > > > >> This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we >> have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? >> >> And is it O.K. to c

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi Robert, On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 AM, ma...@mendelu.cz wrote: > This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we > have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? > > And is it O.K. to change doctest instead of fix a bug? The function call h.n()

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
On 20 ún, 18:16, John Cremona wrote: > >http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/8314 > > Now positively reviewed. > > John This solves the problem with dostests, but I see another problem: we have two different answers. One of them is wrong. Which one? And why? And is it O.K. to change doctest

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread John H Palmieri
On Feb 19, 11:08 am, mhampton wrote: > All tests passed on an upgrade from the alpha0, on a 10.6.2 mac. > -Marshall On two separate 10.6.2 machines, I was unable to upgrade successfully: after upgrading, any attempt to run Sage would give me a segfault. With a build from scratch, all tests passe

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-20 Thread slabbe
> This is the final alpha release of Sage 4.3.3. The next release would > be an rc0. The development version of Sage is now in feature freeze. Does that mean only ticket solving a defect will be merged into sage until sage-4.4.1? The Sage days 20 are beginning on Monday. I think there will be a b

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread mhampton
Another upgrade passed all tests on Ubuntu 9.10 64-bit, on a core i7 860 quad-core machine. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http:/

Re: [sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread David Joyner
Also, build from source went fine and all tests passed on a 10.6.2 mac. On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:08 PM, mhampton wrote: > All tests passed on an upgrade from the alpha0, on a 10.6.2 mac. > -Marshall > > -- > To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com > To unsubscribe fr

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
And the other tests passed (fresh install) Linux um-bc107 2.6.26-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Aug 19 06:06:52 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux Robert On 19 ún, 19:50, "ma...@mendelu.cz" wrote: > The same problem on 32 bit debian as reported above > > sage -t  "devel/sage/sage/misc/functional.py" > *

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread mhampton
All tests passed on an upgrade from the alpha0, on a 10.6.2 mac. -Marshall -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.co

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
The same problem on 32 bit debian as reported above sage -t "devel/sage/sage/misc/functional.py" ** File "/opt/sage-4.3.3.alpha1/devel/sage/sage/misc/functional.py", line 705: sage: h.n() Expected: 0.33944794097891573 Got

[sage-devel] Re: Sage 4.3.3.alpha1 released

2010-02-19 Thread ma...@mendelu.cz
32 bit debian: sage -t -long "devel/sage/sage/interfaces/r.py" [9.6 s] -- All tests passed! Total time for all tests: 9.7 seconds On 19 ún, 18:42, John Cremona wrote: > and on 64-bit ubuntu I get a different error: >