Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread John W. Foster
On Wed, 2012-05-30 at 20:01 -0700, William Stein wrote: > On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > > On 2012-05-28, Alex Ghitza wrote: > >>> On Sun, 27 May 2012 at 10:48AM -0700, William Stein wrote: > If you think this abuse of sagetrac.org sucks, please consider filing >

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/31/12 9:38 AM, William Stein wrote: The attorney who is currently working on this is leaving UW in 2 weeks. It could take a long time after that, due to them having to hire a new person, him/her get up to speed, etc. Okay. This whole thing is buried in a thread that is not about objecti

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread William Stein
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/30/12 10:01 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >> So... is anybody opposed to University of Washington become the >> (temporary) register of the Sage trademark? > > > I was going to ask how you were going to determine if the Sage development > co

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/30/12 10:01 PM, William Stein wrote: So... is anybody opposed to University of Washington become the (temporary) register of the Sage trademark? I was going to ask how you were going to determine if the Sage development community agreed with the action, but then I saw that you worded the

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread William Stein
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/31/12 6:17 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: >> >> Also, i don't see any long term problems, because [like libre vs. open >> office has shown] it is always possible to fork and rename everything >> from "Sage" to -- say -- "Sagemath" and that's it

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/31/12 6:17 AM, Harald Schilly wrote: Also, i don't see any long term problems, because [like libre vs. open office has shown] it is always possible to fork and rename everything from "Sage" to -- say -- "Sagemath" and that's it. IANAL, but my guess is that if someone forked, they'd have to

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Harald Schilly
On Thursday, May 31, 2012 5:01:01 AM UTC+2, William wrote: > > UW is interested, but first the trademark on "Sage" has to get sorted > out and officially registered. ... > wow, that's very good news and I like that they are willing to stand behind it. +1 from me for that. Also, i don't see any

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Volker Braun
+1 for having UW do the paperwork ;-) On Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:18:12 AM UTC+1, William wrote: > > As long as that community is OK > with me working with UW to get the trademark officially registered, I > can go forward. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-31 Thread Justin C. Walker
On May 30, 2012, at 20:18 , William Stein wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: >> You can do your own free trademark search, and you can also try to get a >> trademark for $159. >> There appear to be something like 50 uses of SAGE as a trademark, at least >> some of them >> for s

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-30 Thread William Stein
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:14 PM, rjf wrote: > You can do your own free trademark search, and you can also try to get a > trademark for $159. > There appear to be something like 50 uses of SAGE as a trademark, at least > some of them > for software,  software and education, software and engineering

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-30 Thread William Stein
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Jason Grout wrote: > On 5/30/12 10:01 PM, William Stein wrote: >> >>  They tell me that later on they will be willing to >> sell the trademark to me in exchange for the cost they had to pay to >> register it. > > > Can you get that in writing? I'm sure I can. The

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-30 Thread rjf
You can do your own free trademark search, and you can also try to get a trademark for $159. There appear to be something like 50 uses of SAGE as a trademark, at least some of them for software, software and education, software and engineering. I am not a lawyer. On Wednesday, May 30, 2012 8

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-30 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/30/12 10:01 PM, William Stein wrote: They tell me that later on they will be willing to sell the trademark to me in exchange for the cost they had to pay to register it. Can you get that in writing? Branding is a huge deal here, and it would be very sad if some hiccup or falling out be

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-30 Thread William Stein
On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > On 2012-05-28, Alex Ghitza wrote: >>> On Sun, 27 May 2012 at 10:48AM -0700, William Stein wrote: If you think this abuse of sagetrac.org sucks, please consider filing a claim by clicking on "File a claim" at the above URL.  Hopef

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-29 Thread Jason Grout
On 5/27/12 2:27 PM, William Stein wrote: They are also redistributed copyrighted content, which is one of the categories when you file a complaint. What is the problem with copying something from trac? Do we have a license statement for material on trac? I guess if not, then it is all copyr

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-29 Thread Simon King
On 2012-05-29, Keshav Kini wrote: > Maarten Derickx writes: >> By the way. Your name might also be on that website. See >> http://www.sagetrac.org/sage_trac . > > Interesting - my name is not there. That suggests that they crawled trac > quite a while ago. Yep. They still locate me in Ireland,

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-28 Thread Keshav Kini
Maarten Derickx writes: > By the way. Your name might also be on that website. See > http://www.sagetrac.org/sage_trac . Interesting - my name is not there. That suggests that they crawled trac quite a while ago. -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this grou

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-28 Thread Maarten Derickx
By the way. Your name might also be on that website. See http://www.sagetrac.org/sage_trac . -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http

Re: [sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-28 Thread David Kirkby
On 28 May 2012 07:10, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Perhaps our BDFL can try unleasing UW lawyers on them... I would have thought they would not be too interested. The cost to try to fight one project in one department where the domain was allowed to elapse is unlikely to be seen as high priority. Th

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-28 Thread mmarco
What was the original page content? A mirror of trac.sagemath.org? -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-27 Thread Dima Pasechnik
On 2012-05-28, Alex Ghitza wrote: >> On Sun, 27 May 2012 at 10:48AM -0700, William Stein wrote: >>> If you think this abuse of sagetrac.org sucks, please consider filing >>> a claim by clicking on "File a claim" at the above URL.  Hopefully, if >>> a few people complain, the site will be taken dow

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-27 Thread Keshav Kini
William Stein writes: > They are also redistributed copyrighted content, which is one of the > categories when you file a complaint. This is what I compained about in my report to them. -Keshav Join us in #sagemath on irc.freenode.net ! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-dev

[sage-devel] Re: please complain

2012-05-27 Thread Keshav Kini
William Stein writes: > Hi, > > Here's what happens when you don't renew a domain name. Somebody gets > the domain, copies your site, but then makes the page slowly > degenerate into spam! http://www.sagetrac.org/ > > The company that rents this domain name is: > https://www.domainsbyproxy.com/ a