I made a boo-boo and opened two tickets on the same topic.

#8461 can be closed as a duplicate of #8462. I know one would generally close the later ticket, but I've already put a patch on the second ticket, showing the results etc. It would seem more sensible to close #8461.

Since #8408 has been fixed, #8397, #8398, #8399 #8400 and #8401 can all be 
closed.

dave

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