Wow I suck.
Apparently I was not running setup from the latest download. I do not know
how or why as I know I downloaded and I am sure I downloaded it to the
folder in question since downloading again immediately went to that folder.
Whatever happened I have redownloaded and installed now all is
I have installed twice on my machine with the service off and I never run it
as an app. I rebooted as told by the installation. Any other ideas? I am
tempted to just remove the executable from the program folder and see if I
get a new one in there and that it is the right version?
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SA should NOT be running while doing the updated. (not as service and
not as app.)
And did you reboot after the install?.
dirk.
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Subject: RE: [S
Tried both ways.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:42 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] SMTP2POP3 com check
What SA stil running while doing the update?
dirk.
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New users should use the "freebie" copy, graciously provided by Dirk.
When you think they have 'graduated', give them the reins.
John
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What SA stil running while doing the update?
dirk.
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] SMTP2POP3 com check
Found that downloading the latest setup from
h
Found that downloading the latest setup from
http://beta.woodstone.nu/soft/salive.exe and installing (on two machines two
times each) my build number within the application does not get updated and
the check cycle n+1 for the new smtp2pop3 com check is never reached. Any
ideas what might be happen
That explains why you never get to n+1 :-)
dirk.
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PS realized that my SAlive build still says 1529.
PS realized that my SAlive build still says 1529. Check back later :-)
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 3:19 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] SMTP2POP3 com check
Seems on my setu
Run it on a separate machine for the newbies to play with. This is common
practice in the server world. You can run the 10 check version for free.
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Of Michael Shook
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:43 PM
To
Seems on my setup that checkn+1 is never reached? Any idea why I now have
7 emails in the Salive box and the check only says send successfully every
time?
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Of Dirk Bulinckx
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:57
Just as information, I have always called the file "hosts.date", because
that even prevents me from screwing up by using an earlier file
unintentionally.
John
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Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:
Just the com check
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 9:54 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] SMTP2POP3 com check
Just need to update the com check or also Salive build?
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Just need to update the com check or also Salive build?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Dirk Bulinckx
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 2:14 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] SMTP2POP3 com check
Beta is updated and should show
That's what is commenly known as procedures.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 9:43 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
Whilst talking this over with the other members of
Cycle_1
down->down?
sk does the retake and give down
Cycle_2
down is down, no SK anymore.
dirk.
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Whilst talking this over with the other members of the team, they thought it might be
usefull to have a "run" mode, where no changes are ever accepted or saved, and an
"edit" mode that was single password protected and allowed changes to be saved. This
would allow new users to become familiar wi
Oh, so a second knock is only on the first check that goes down?
Thanks, that explains it.
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 03:02PM >>>
If the down was in the first then the 2nd cycle should even try an SK
anymore.
dirk.
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Yes I just have :-)
We'll fix this huge bug
dirk.
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Subject: [SA-list] speaking of...
Has anyone noticed that the tool tip for the check t
Beta is updated and should show what exactly caused the error:
ERR SMTP<= sending part
ERR POP3<= receiving part
You can get it in the alerts by using the %e parameter.
dirk.
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No it doesn't.
We should add to the returned string an indication which "part" caused
the error (SMTP for send and POP3 for receive)
dirk.
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If the down was in the first then the 2nd cycle should even try an SK
anymore.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 8:57 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Question re: when alerts are sent..
Down, and I saw the 2nd knock for the first cycle.
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 02:36PM >>>
No the 2nd knock is done at the end.
Was the entry up or down at the 1st cycle?
dirk.
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Behalf Of Michael Shook
Se
So when an alert is sent does it distinguish between which cycle caused the
down? Not that if we got an alert we couldn't test it ourselves to figure
where it is failing but nevertheless does the check tell us if it was the
receiving of the mail or the sending of the mail that failed?
-Origi
No the 2nd knock is done at the end.
Was the entry up or down at the 1st cycle?
dirk.
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Question re: when alerts are sent
Made the changes
1st cycle - looked good
2nd cycle - alert occured at the check 1st time, didn't see a second knock. Although,
it did seem to take a little longer...
Is it possible the second knock happened immediately instead of waiting for the end of
the cycle?
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/
Hi Dirk.
It happens with both.
TS session using the /console switch and when physically logged in to
the machine.
Davey
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Hi Mark.
Yes the telnet server is still working. If you then close and then
re-open SARemote it works fine until some one logs in and then logs back
out.
Davey
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TS session? Or directly on the system?
dirk.
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Subject: [SA-list] Possible bug in SARemote or SA v4.x
Hi Mark / Dirk.
I was just playing
Can you verify that SA is still up and the telnet server is responding after you log
out?
Mark Bradshaw
Salem Web Network
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Chesterfield, VA 23832
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>
Hi Mark / Dirk.
I was just playing with SA Remote and noticed a nice little catch.
If you are logged in to a windows 2003 server running SA as a service
and then log out all the instances of SARemote come up with the error
message that say "The connection appears to have dropped."
Then telling m
I would guess as a 2nd, but I should go through the sources to be sure.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 6:53 PM
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Subject: [SA-list] Question regarding scheduled tests and alerts.
OK, must just be operator error.
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 11:57AM >>>
No it's so since v2.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 5:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts fil
Has anyone noticed that the tool tip for the check timeout value refers to a 'pager'
entry?
Mike
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I have an alert scheduled for 'after x times' . The check goes down for the first
time. Then the check goes into scheduled maintenance. When check comes out of
maintenance it is still down. Is this considered the first time again, or the second
time?
Michael Shook
Business Continuity Analyst
We already have that.
The setup setting is the place were SA will get the hostfile at startup.
dirk.
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
I
yes
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 6:31 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
And this is the file if SA is setup to save every cycle?
This is what I need. Sorry for my co
I guess my issue was the undocumented (?) change in the current Hosts file if a "save
as" was performed. Since a little mistake on the part of a team member could (and did)
have huge issues in the production environment, I think I would just have a global
setting for where SA should currently ge
And this is the file if SA is setup to save every cycle?
This is what I need. Sorry for my confusion over how you approached this issue.
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 11:27AM >>>
Click on FILE and you get the FILE menu, the last item is the last name
that is known by Servers Alive (it incl
Authentication is a complex subject and tough to get right. The users need
to use it correctly, the admin needs to configure it correctly, etc. I
would hate to see SA development slowed by trying to add this which is
outside its core functionality.
I think Host file versioning of some sort woul
Try the following:
Open the entry, edit the alert and remove the " that is within the
message of the SMTP body.
Then test again.
It looks like there is some kind of bug within the save of the alerts
(probably introduced with a change we did for alerts with " in their
"body".
dirk.
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No it's so since v2.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 5:55 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
Is that something that might have changed with an upgrade to a newer
beta? I
This is the entry I use for testing, I take it up and down quite frequently, watching
SA as I do.
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 09:26AM >>>
Can you send me a small hostfile (one entry) that has the problem?
I can't repro it.
dirk.
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Is that something that might have changed with an upgrade to a newer beta? I thought
that this was how mine was working...
Thanks!!
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 10:45AM >>>
Depends on a setting within the registry.
dirk.
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Dirk, you're the best. We're about to start an Exchange cluster rollout
next week--I'll upgrade to this new version then and let you know how it
goes.
Kevin
Kevin Kruithof
Class 3 Systems Administrator, Section 21b, Type 42, Platinum Edition
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The question that pops to my mind is, what should be changed in SA to be
able to cope with this siuation?
People need to logon to Servers Alive in order to make a change? And
each user can have different rights? Great and what if a user doesn't
do a log-off then somebody can make a change under h
Usually opening the Save or Save As dialogs will take you to the same
directory that was last used. You have a procedural/policy issue that you
need to sort out as to who updates and how it is documented. Programming
will never overcome that.
To be honest I get the feeling you should be looking
Click on FILE and you get the FILE menu, the last item is the last name
that is known by Servers Alive (it includes the path too) and as such
that's the name were SA is saving too IF somebody did a manual
save/save-as.
dirk.
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Just redo a SAVE AS and you know were it's doing it...
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 4:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [SA-list] Hosts file...
That's all lovely for a single person team
That's all lovely for a single person team who can remember that they've changed the
current host file. My current issue is with how to find out where SA currently thinks
it is saving the data. The supposed correct host file is not being updated, and since
I can't tell where it IS being updated,
Depends on a setting within the registry.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 4:38 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
Ok, I think then I'm having issues with the Hosts file t
Ok, I think then I'm having issues with the Hosts file then. It does get updated every
cycle right?
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 10:31AM >>>
Statslogging will only be done if that new entry had a status change.
Interchange logging will show an additional entry. The HELP-ABOUT also
shows
Statslogging will only be done if that new entry had a status change.
Interchange logging will show an additional entry. The HELP-ABOUT also
shows the total number of entrieS.
dirk.
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But how do I know if the host file's been changed?
Should I see a matching exportstatslog function complete? to go with the 'started'
entry?
Mike
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/04/03 09:50AM >>>
The logfile won't help for the status change issue.
As for a "lock", why not make a backup?
dirk.
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Well let's see. You have a working Salive & Host file. Your adding new
checks and services. If you do a Save, you've just up-dated your WORKING
host file. If you do a SAVE AS, you have now save it to a different file
name. You do this so you can get all the buggs out of your host file before
you ma
The logfile won't help for the status change issue.
As for a "lock", why not make a backup?
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 3:46 PM
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Subject: RE: [SA-list] Hosts file...
YIKES!
YIKES!!!
Thats what happened, another team member "saved as"... I think I have fixed it, but is
there some way I can "see" the current Hosts file, or better yet, "lock" it?
Also, to help with the status change issue, here's the log file after an update, then
a file close:
Tuesday, November 04,
Just posted a new beta which add SMTP authentication
A while ago a lot of people were asking for a way to get a faster check
cycle. One of the remarks was that SMTP2POP3 took too long. Based on
that we decided to rewrite SMTP2POP3 into a COM based check. Were in
cycle_n we would send the SM
I just saved a copy of the hosts file to a different file name in the SAlive folder.
Then for other reasons, that file was renamed and placed elsewhere. Then I closed SA
after a few minutes. I then noticed that the file I just "saved as" was created and
updated. The 'normal' host file was not.
Can you send me a small hostfile (one entry) that has the problem?
I can't repro it.
dirk.
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Sent: Tue Nov 04 2:41 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [SA-list] Question re: when alerts are sen
The place in the setup if the file that SA should load when starting.
If you do a SAVE it will save in the known location. A known location is
were the last save was done or the last load.
If you do a SAVE AS then the last known save location changes and a
follow-up save will use the location of th
Title: Message
I just
retried this and for me it works as expected.
I had
an alert set to send a message on 1 down and then every 24 down
cycles.
First
down cycle gave me the alert as expected.
2nd
didn't
...
25th
did again give me an alert.
Looks
perfect to me.
dirk.
-O
"by hand" I meant File | Save
Why would you want that to be the case? You have a place in the setup for where the
host file is, why ever would you want to change the file name of the host file and not
show that it has been done? How do I know what the file name is when another team
member decid
Once you do a save-as that becomes the "new" name of the file and that's
what SA will use then when you do a save.
Same situation if you would do a save-as in word for example.
What do you mean "update by hand?"
dirk.
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I've noticed that when I have an alert set with a when of X times, and the 2nd Knock
turned on, I get the alert BEFORE the 2nd knock of the 2nd down cycle.
Should this not wait until after the 2nd knock?
Michael Shook
Business Continuity Analyst
Saddle Creek Corporation
723 Joe Tamplin Industr
All external checks based on errorlevels are limited to returning
numbers, that how an errorlevel works.
If you want to get more returns, then use/write an external COM based
check.
dirk.
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Behalf Of Turyna Jan
Sent
Hi all,
can I ask you for some changes in SAlive?
This is not question only to CheckEvt, but I search for option in SAlive,
where I can get from external script more than 1 or 0.
I try to describe it:
When I use CheckEvt for errors in Event Log, it would be good get name of
this error too, i
Hi,
A while ago a lot of people were asking for a way to get a faster check
cycle. One of the remarks was that SMTP2POP3 took too long. Based on
that we decided to rewrite SMTP2POP3 into a COM based check. Were in
cycle_n we would send the SMTP message and in cycle_n+1 we would try to
retrieve
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