Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-14 Thread John Steven
ements. Has anyone here ran across contract clauses that assist in this regard? -Original Message- From: Gunnar Peterson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 8:48 AM To: Brian Chess; Secure Mailing List; McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT) Subject: Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Sc

Re: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-13 Thread David A. Wheeler
Crispin Cowan wrote: I would like to introduce you to my new kick-ass scanning tool. You run it over your source code, and it only produces a single false-positive for you to check out. That false positive just happens to be the complete source code listing for your entire program :) If you ca

Re: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-13 Thread Johan Peeters
Crispin Cowan wrote: David A. Wheeler wrote: Brian Chess (brian at fortifysoftware dot com) said: False positives: Nobody likes dealing with a pile of false positives, and we work hard to reduce false positives without giving up potentially exploitable vulnerabilities. I think everyone ag

Re: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-13 Thread David A. Wheeler
Gary McGraw wrote: Hi all (especially david), The story you repeated about ITS4 finding a vulnerability > "that can't happen" is wrong. The tool FIST (a fault injection tool for security) which we decribed > in an Oakland paper from 1998 was what you were thinking of. > (FIST was also produc

Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-13 Thread Michael Mucha
I've been pushing contractual requirements for ISVs at work (academic medical center with a $1B+ revenue hospital), particularly in the lengthy negotiations last winter with our new clinical information system vendor (the software license alone will cost us about $100M). In a nutshell: - "W

RE: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-13 Thread Gary McGraw
s are on the beach. gem www.cigital.com www.swsec.com -Original Message- From: David A. Wheeler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon Jun 12 19:33:52 2006 To: sc-l@securecoding.org Subject: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives) I'd like to follow up on Br

Re: [SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-13 Thread Crispin Cowan
David A. Wheeler wrote: > Brian Chess (brian at fortifysoftware dot com) said: >> False positives: >> Nobody likes dealing with a pile of false positives, and we work hard to >> reduce false positives without giving up potentially exploitable >> vulnerabilities. > I think everyone agrees that there

[SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools (false positives)

2006-06-12 Thread David A. Wheeler
I'd like to follow up on Brian Chess' comments... Brian Chess (brian at fortifysoftware dot com) said: False positives: Nobody likes dealing with a pile of false positives, and we work hard to reduce false positives without giving up potentially exploitable vulnerabilities. I think everyone a

RE: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread ljknews
At 2:32 PM -0400 6/9/06, Jeremy Epstein wrote: > Having said that, it's completely at odds compared to what I see working >for an ISV of a non-security product. That is, I almost never have >prospects/customers ask me what we do to assure our software. I don't even get those questions for our se

RE: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread Jeremy Epstein
Title: Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools At the RSA Conference in February, I went to a reception hosted by a group called "Secure Software Forum" (not to be confused with the company Secure Software Inc, which offers a product competitive to Fortify).  They had a panel ses

RE: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread Dave Wichers
Title: Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools The OWASP Legal project took a crack at this: http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_Legal_Project   This project developed a strawman Secure Software Development Contract annex which is available at: http://www.owasp.org/index.php

RE: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread McGovern, James F (HTSC, IT)
Title: Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools I think I should have been more specific in my first post. I should have phrased it as I have yet to find a large enterprise whose primary business isn't software or technology that has made a significant investment in such tools.   Likewi

Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread Gunnar Peterson
Title: Re: [SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools Right, because their customers (are starting to) demand more secure code from their technology. In the enterprise space the financial, insurance, healthcare companies who routinely lose their customer’s data and provide their customers with

[SC-L] RE: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Chess
Title: RE: Comparing Scanning Tools McGovern, James F wrote: > I have yet to find a large enterprise that has made a significant investment in such tools. I’ll give you pointers to two.  They’re two of the three largest software companies in the world. http://news.com.com/2100-1002_3-5220488

[SC-L] Re: Comparing Scanning Tools

2006-06-09 Thread Brian Chess
Hi Jerry, as one of the creators of the tool you evaluated, I have to admit I have the urge to comment on your message one line at a time and explain each way in which the presentation you attended did not adequately explain what Fortify does or how we do it. But I don't think the rest of the peop