Re: [SC-L] What is the size of this list?

2009-08-22 Thread Goertzel, Karen [USA]
Actually, we can't prove programs are bug free if by bug we also mean all possible anomalous behaviours. My colleagues keep pointing this out to me when I suggest that we should start leveraging the computational power of computing grids to analyze complex software the same way other

Re: [SC-L] What is the size of this list?

2009-08-22 Thread Brad Andrews
Great points Karen! We can't prove a program is secure in the same vein. The danger I am spouting off about is the idea that we would solve the software security problem if we just take a more scientific or mature (or whatever) approach. I think those can definitely reduce the risk, but

Re: [SC-L] What is the size of this list?

2009-08-20 Thread Matt Bishop
Another lurker revealing himself ... my name is Matt Bishop, and I lurk at the University of California at Davis where I teach and do research in lots of areas of computer security, including (surprise!) what is traditionally called secure programming and secure software development. For

Re: [SC-L] What is the size of this list?

2009-08-19 Thread Kenneth Van Wyk
On Aug 18, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Arian J. Evans wrote: Jeremiah Grossman and I were both pondering the size of the SCL recently. Is the list size public? It's not public per se, but only in the sense that the number isn't directly available--unless you ask for it. The list has pretty

Re: [SC-L] What is the size of this list?

2009-08-19 Thread Rob Floodeen
Hi SC-L, I'm a Lurker. I work for CERT | SEI | CMU and monitor the list in an attempt to keep an ear to the ground. While I'm not a professional programmer I do have an undergrad and graduate degree in CS which means I've been trained a little about programming. I'm really interested in two