Re: Way Off Topic - HEP Network Symphony Orchestra

2020-12-22 Thread Konstantin Olchanski
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 04:24:33PM -0800, Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > There are probably more symphony fans than high energy > physics fans (many physicists are both) ... > Hmm... I am not a fan. I am a blower of flutes and whistles! -- Konstantin Olchanski Data Acquisition Systems: The Bytes Mus

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Yasha Karant
I agree. However, when I examine the log of which packages were replaced (I mean that the files associated with major release N were fully replaced by those of major release N+1 -- however, log and end user configuration were retained, such as the list of users, passwords, etc.), I find that a

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread William R. Somsky
Truthfully, I *prefer* a full OS wipe-and-reinstall periodically. (Note: I'm saying an *OS* wipe-and-reinstall. I always dedicate one partition to the OS itself and maintain any local/user data elsewhere. I find the idea of storing user files under /home on the root partition abhorent now that we

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Globe Trotter
I don't know about others but I have used Fedora 1 through Fedora 33, but nothing has broken for me yet in an upgrade in a manner that was not fixable with a simple post to the community. I think that Fedora is more a leading-edge than bleeding-edge distribution. I like Fedora because of its com

Re: Way Off Topic - HEP Network Symphony Orchestra

2020-12-22 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 7:30 PM Keith Lofstrom wrote: > > This isn't Scientific Linux, though SL and the team that > supports it would be involved in implementation. > > > > AFAIK, we are still in the middle of Long Shutdown 2, > with the Large Hadron Collider /not/ sending terabytes > of exp

Way Off Topic - HEP Network Symphony Orchestra

2020-12-22 Thread Keith Lofstrom
This isn't Scientific Linux, though SL and the team that supports it would be involved in implementation. AFAIK, we are still in the middle of Long Shutdown 2, with the Large Hadron Collider /not/ sending terabytes of experimental data through the dedicated HEP network. Meanwhile, gathering

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Yasha Karant
To the best of my understanding, both Fedora and the coming CentOS are beta (development/testing) environments, not stable production environments, as is non-LTS Ubuntu. I know of many people who use Fedora -- and more than once had bad experiences because of a software defect. This is much les

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 5:45 PM Dave Dykstra wrote: > > Hi Yasha, > > Yes this is one of the most significant differences between the Debian/ > dpkg/apt world and the Red Hat/SUSE/rpm/yum/dnf world. It's a > difference in philosophy and it is reflected in the tooling. There are > a lot more expl

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Jon Pruente
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 4:45 PM Dave Dykstra wrote: > Fedora releases are much shorter life and I've heard there's a tool > there to upgrade between releases more seamlessly, although I haven't > used it myself. > Release upgrades of Fedora are fairly painless. I've got one server that I inherit

Re: SL compared to Ubuntu LTS major release upgrade

2020-12-22 Thread Dave Dykstra
Hi Yasha, Yes this is one of the most significant differences between the Debian/ dpkg/apt world and the Red Hat/SUSE/rpm/yum/dnf world. It's a difference in philosophy and it is reflected in the tooling. There are a lot more explicit package version dependencies in Debian that makes this possib