Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/4/21 1:33 PM, Konstantin Olchanski wrote: ... Lowen - thank you for your excellent write up. I am puzzled by a couple of things and I have a few comments: - you say good words about professionalism and make good noises about the high quality of Debian, but you do not elaborate why you think

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Yasha Karant
I respectfully disagree. There is *NO* RPM EL that does not originate with a corporate for-profit overlord -- CentOS and Rocky both are ports of the IBM RH source distro (required under GPL and Linux licenses -- if a corporate overload violates the GPL or Linux licenses, I suspect that any "Li

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On 2/5/21 3:59 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: I respectfully disagree.  There is *NO* RPM EL that does not originate with a corporate for-profit overlord That is correct; all EL rebuilds are dependent upon RH continuing to act in good faith.  If I'm going to switch from one EL rebuild to another beca

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Yasha Karant
For the time being -- until IBM RH decides otherwise -- Princeton Springdale EL 8 appears to be what SL 8 would have been, and professionally is produced by Princeton staff. As for there being no rebuild of SuSE SLES -- a question I asked long ago when we tested, under support license from SuS

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Feb 5, 2021 5:48 PM, Yasha Karant wrote:For the time being -- until IBM RH decides otherwise -- Princeton Springdale EL 8 appears to be what SL 8 would have been, and professionally is produced by Princeton staff.  Much will ride on what Fermi and CERN decide; but this would be my first cho

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Andrew Komornicki
Could the two of you please take this discussion off line. This used to be a forum where people provided technical solutions to pressing problems. You obviously do not have a day job that requires your attention and are filling up peoples in boxes with your personal banter. regards, Andrew On

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Maarten
It doesn't mean they don't have day jobs that require their attention, it means that people live in different time zones and work different hours, but I do agree with you I haven't seen any technical discussions in a long time here on the list. On 2/6/21 12:17 AM, Andrew Komornicki wrote: Cou

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Feb 5, 2021 6:17 PM, Andrew Komornicki wrote:. This used to be a forum where people provided technical solutions to pressing problems.   In my $dayjob role I will be deciding the operating system direction for our entire site beyond CentOS 8's EOS date at the end of 2021.  Since SL 8 was neve

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Yasha Karant
I apologize that you do not see the lack of a way forward to EL 8 or other options as a pressing problem in need of a technical solution. Typically, such issues are major engineering concerns when there is a forthcoming and clear problem with the "supply chain", as practical engineering deals w

Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

2021-02-05 Thread Chris Schanzle
On 2/4/21 7:13 PM, Arthur H. Edwards wrote: > Ubuntu has encryption capabilities that require licenses, and we are fighting > that fight right now. Could you elaborate on the above, please?