Re: Pondering a switch to Debian

Keith Lofstrom writes: > I very much hope to stay connected to the "scientific" > aspect of our community. Making big changes together > with other science computationalists would be easier. I note that Debian has a science group which, unlike "Scientific" Linux, actually provides packaging of

Re: Sustainable computing - Re: CentOS EOL - politics?

Hi, ~Stack~ writes: > I'm curious about your thoughts on what it means to have that > sustainable footing going forward. A little bit pontificating but here is my take: "sustainable computing" must be "community all the way down". We must reject attempts by flighty (or other) corporations to

Re: CentOS EOL - politics?

This is not a political reply. Keith Lofstrom writes: > The big physics labs that supported Scientific Linux get > much or all of their funding from the US government, CERN is primarily funded by CERN nation states, of which US is not one. FNAL, being a US DOE National Lab, is primarily

Re: CentOS 8 EOL; CentOS Stream?

Just a couple thoughts on framing this "development": Yasha Karant writes: > Translation -- as a for-profit vendor, IBM does not want to subsidize > a competitor to RHEL that is without fee. I see this move in even worse light. Previously there was mutual benefit and trust between RH and

Re: SL 6

Nico Kadel-Garcia writes: > And oh, my, if you want to discard systemd, you'll need to go to an OS > based on an entirely distinct kernel, say one of the BSD's. Here are some Linux-based options sans systemd: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_distributions_without_systemd -Brett.

Re: Experience with alternative to EL8

Yasha Karant writes: > Thanks for the comments.  Is BNL still part of the HEP > collaborations? Very much so. Many of ideas that became DUNE originated here. We also have a major ATLAS contingent, muon g-2 was conceived and first ran at BNL. BNL has a long history of HEP. >  If so, would

Re: Experience with alternative to EL8

Yasha Karant writes: > Zoom Ignoring the recent news items and that the Zoom client for Ubuntu hasn't been updated in forever and that the whole thing is proprietary... ...Zoom works fine on Ubuntu 18.04 for me. You might consider to try out Jitsi Meet. It works rather well in the tests I've

Re: Who Uses Scientific Linux, and How/Why?

Hi Konstantin, Konstantin Olchanski writes: > This happened right after the first quad-PentiumPro machines became > available, with Dell dual-PentiumII/III to follow soon after. Yes and it's why www.phy.bnl.gov is running on a system that still caries the (internal) hostname "phyppro1"! > I

Re: Who Uses Scientific Linux, and How/Why?

"Peter Willis" writes: > Perhaps, if it’s not too much trouble, people on the list might give a short > blurb about > how they use it and why. SL (and soon changing to Centos) provides a monoculture in HEP computing so there is no choice for me but to consider it. I use Debian-based

Re: EL 8

Yasha Karant writes: > In the best of all possible worlds, I or my students would have time > to build applications from source -- but there are too many and not > enough time, forcing the use of repositories with pre-built RPMs (or > DEBs if we switch to Ubuntu).  Note that we run the same base

Re: question regarding the future

Bill Maidment writes: > If anything does go awry in the future, I do not see major science > institutions sitting back and doing nothing about it. Maybe even SL > would then arise again? Call it Phoenix? My personal guess is that it would be difficult, if not impossible, to again create a Linux

Re: MS Outlook adding excessive encrusting excrescence to list URLs

My understanding is that the excessive encrusting excrescence infecting fnal.gov lists is from ProofPoint, not MicroSoft. The tip about controlling MS's "Safe Links" is good. I'm curious how ProofPoint reacts. This whole message is PGP-signed via the MIME attachment method. If the following

Re: Brainfart: Academic paper rewrite tool

A few comments and suggestions: Look into "Reproducible Research" methods and find ways to help more crusty scientists adopt them. Emacs Org-mode documents and IPython Notebooks are two popular ways to write a paper that you can rebuild when data or analysis is updated. Your "linear slider"

Re: Need specific LaTeX utiliities for EL7

Yasha Karant writes: > Is there any licensed-for-free LaTeX WYSIWYG TeXmacs is GPL'ed http://www.texmacs.org/ Personally, I use "What I Type Is Very Soon What I See": emacs file.tex & atril file.pdf & latexmk -pvc -pdf file.tex -Brett. signature.asc

Re: SL on single-board ARM (eg Pi2 or Beagle board)

Hi Nathan, Nathan Moore writes: > Have any of you-all considered replacing (student) linux workstations > with small single-board arm ​systems (eg a Raspberry Pi2 or TI's > Beagleboard)? In terms of unit cost and power consumption they seem > like an attractive solution for

Re: What library is needed to have X11 borders?

~Stack~ i.am.st...@gmail.com writes: Because the app acts funny when X forwarded over SSH What does funny mean? All that is needed to run remote X11 programs displayed on your local X11 server's screen is: local ssh -Y user@remote remote the-gui-program If your network connection is

Re: list of functions and what each provides

Bill Hn positiv...@gmx.com writes: My question is : what desktop actually IS good now-a-days ? this is, of course, very subjective. I've used Gnome 2 with Sawfish since forever but took a few months to switch to Gnome 3, first with Gnome Shell and then with Unity. I learned to appreciate

Re: changing primary group

Mahmood N nt_mahm...@yahoo.com writes: [root@N100 mahmood]# groups mahmood mahmood : devs mahmood [root@N100 mahmood]# groups devs plotfi : devs [mahmood@N100 ~]$ ls /home/devs/tools ls: cannot access /home/devs/tools: Permission denied Besides Jon's response, keep in mind that recent

Deterministic/reproducible builds (Was: Clarity on current status of Scientific Linux build)

Patrick J. LoPresti lopre...@gmail.com writes: See https://wiki.debian.org/ReproducibleBuilds or https://blog.torproject.org/category/tags/deterministic-builds or http://www.chromium.org/developers/testing/isolated-testing/deterministic-builds or just try a search of your own. To add, if

Re: [SL-Users] Re: RedHat CentOS acquisition: stating the obvious

Yasha Karant ykar...@csusb.edu writes: How exactly does a for-profit corporation buy an endeavor such as CentOS? By hiring the key, primary developers, I would imagine. Could RH buy SL from Fermilab/CERN? RH can try (and has succeeded once in the past) to hire SL developers away.

Re: sockets and scientific linux security

Hi Chip, I don't know what is wrong but a couple small directions to try: Does iptables -L confirm that the firewall rules have been flushed out? Can you rule out any potential connection to your socket code by reproducing the problem with netcat/nc? On the server: nc -l -p PORT HOST On