Hi David and all,
yes, it 'struck' me. And frankly, i'm afraid, if some windows admin says
how the Linux should work, are you not? :-))
I am not rude or anything, just saying my opinion. Yes, i'm
conservative, i know it and i'm not ashamed for it.. i simply am no
Linux Liberal :-D.
I welcom
On 04/11/2017 04:50 AM, David Sommerseth wrote:
> On 10/04/17 23:49, O'Neal, Miles wrote:
>> There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews
>> haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or
>> Windows camps.
>
> That is very unfair. To my knowledge, the
On 4/11/17 5:06 AM, Karel Lang AFD wrote:
All done in the name of 'simplifying' things .. just like M$ windows :p
Makes me long for the good old days of Solaris & IRIX. :(
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On 4/10/17 5:49 PM, O'Neal, Miles wrote:
There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews
haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or
Windows camps.
I've wondered this oh-so-too-many-times and am convinced that there's
some ulterior motive behind the
On 11/04/17 11:06, Karel Lang AFD wrote:
>
>
> All done in the name of 'simplifying' things .. just like M$ windows :p
Have it struck you that perhaps lots of Windows admins and users have
provided feedback on how difficult they find Linux ... and thus
developers have taken some steps to improve
On 10/04/17 23:49, O'Neal, Miles wrote:
> There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews
> haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or
> Windows camps.
That is very unfair. To my knowledge, there exists no "Linux product
management department" which
Haha, +1 here :-).
NM is disabled on all my servers, as is the so called 'cool' firewalld.
It's not just RH though, eg. lately, i had to install OpenSuse and it's
susefirewall2 feature with NM was 'killing' my brain for 3 days... then
i rewrote systemd scripts and redirected them at my custom i
There are days I sort of wonder whether the Linux development crews
haven't been infiltrated by people trying to drive us into the OSX or
Windows camps.
On 04/10/2017 04:39 PM, Ken Teh wrote:
On 04/10/2017 10:59 AM, Tom H wrote:
The lead NM developer's replied to you on fedora-devel@ or
fed
On 04/10/2017 10:59 AM, Tom H wrote:
The lead NM developer's replied to you on fedora-devel@ or
fedora-user@ in the past that he and his fellow NM developers have
worked hard to add to NM configuration options for complex server
setups as well as a cli tool for managing settings. Sadly, NM seem
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 10:59 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 5:36 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
>> I will spare the details, but suffice to say I am in a position where
>> after many years knowing the 'network' commands I've been tasked to
>> learn nmcli much better than I do now. Th
On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:56 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
> On 04/08/2017 10:48 PM, Steven Haigh wrote:
>> On 09/04/17 12:59, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>>> In case it's unclear I am *not* happy with NetworkManager for servers
>>> or stable environments. Laptops that have to wander from environment
>>> to envi
On 04/08/2017 04:36 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
> They mention taking down a network with:
> $ nmcli dev disconnect interface-name
>
> but bringing it up with:
> $ nmcli con up interface-name
> That is so infuriating to me. Why use different sub-commands? Especially
> when there exist subcommands in the s
On 04/08/2017 10:48 PM, Steven Haigh wrote:
> On 09/04/17 12:59, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
>> In case it's unclear I am *not* happy with NetworkManager for servers
>> or stable environments. Laptops that have to wander from environment
>> to environment need multiple VPN's, yeah, OK, I can see havin
On 04/08/2017 09:59 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 5:36 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
> Because they're trying to weld NetworkManagers's graphical interface,
> on top of poorly integrated command line interface, on top of the
> actual underlying bash scripts that do the real work. It
This is the kind of frustration that gives rise to new open-source
projects (or at least did in a by-gone era). How badly do you want this
fixed?
You are correct, the art of the command-line is disappearing. Systemd on
7 is painfully rubbish.
Thanks for sharing your trials and tribulations.
On 09/04/17 12:59, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> In case it's unclear I am *not* happy with NetworkManager for servers
> or stable environments. Laptops that have to wander from environment
> to environment need multiple VPN's, yeah, OK, I can see having a more
> complex tool. But for a VM? Or a serv
On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 5:36 PM, ~Stack~ wrote:
> Greetings,
> I will spare the details, but suffice to say I am in a position where
> after many years knowing the 'network' commands I've been tasked to
> learn nmcli much better than I do now. This is all on SL7.
Oh, you poor beggar. I feel your p
Greetings,
I will spare the details, but suffice to say I am in a position where
after many years knowing the 'network' commands I've been tasked to
learn nmcli much better than I do now. This is all on SL7.
I've been reading documents, building and tearing down networks for
hours, and trying to p
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