Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
It reminds me of the story about how they train elephants. When they are young they chain them with big oversize chains. When they become adult elephants they can easily snap the chains, but they never do. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:37 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Yep, you can remove the bars, b

Re: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
You have a point. There are some directors that do use too many tricks. For example, shaky hand-held cameras to add tension to a scene. Oftentimes it is overused and is distracting more than it helps. (District 9 used it well. Cloverfield leans a lot more toward distracting.) With Crank 1 &2 it hel

Re: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
I'm all for experimentation, but this dizzying method of camera work isn't like something you'd attribute to the likes of early Scorsese or something. It's an example of the up and coming new breed of directors and cinematographers raised on music videos, video games, and the Net, who don't un

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Yep, you can remove the bars, but the prison cell remains - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 8:52:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?  

[scifinoir2] JUSTICE LEAGUE: CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS, Feb 23rd

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
http://www.worldsfinestonline.com/news.php/news.php?action=fullnews&id=609 To save our world and all those like it, Superman, Batman and their caped colleagues must go toe-to-toe with their evil mirror images in Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths, the seventh entry in the successful ongoing se

Re: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
Sometimes directors purposely do things like that to experiment. Unfortunately, we end up being their test bunnies. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 8:10 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > yeah, I really lament the directors nowadays who think all that quick > cutting is necessary. Bad enough they think it's

Re: [scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the Disempowered Heroine

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Is she also asking to go see the Disney flick? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 3:13:53 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the      Disempowered

Re: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
yeah, I really lament the directors nowadays who think all that quick cutting is necessary. Bad enough they think it's required to amp action scenes, but when they can't even shoot a conversation without this? Crazy. I saw another SyFy horror movie where the director was using every trick in t

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
I can relate to the job interfering with trips home. Two years ago the structure at my old company changed, and I had to stay in Atlanta for Christmas, rather than go back to Texas. It was rough, especially because my mom had died recently and I wanted to be with the family. Of course, last ye

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
A lot of that is self imposed racial thinking. We were keeping ourselves down by then after years of social programming to hate ourselves. That is the true danger of racism. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > When I was growing up in Texas in the '60s and '70s, there wa

Re: [scifinoir2] The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Daryle Lockhart
That show is like the MILF island skit from 30 Rock. Sounds hilarious - for two episodes. Then you're back to the original show for ideas/ audience. Daryle Lockhart On Nov 23, 2009, at 5:15 AM, "Mr. Worf" wrote: Since no one has written about this show yet. This show isn't as funny as

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
Possibly, but it could have also been worn before that. The history goes so far back that there is more than one origin. On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:24 AM, Kelwyn wrote: > Lipstick is a subject that amuses me mightily since lipstick was first worn > by prostitutes to advertise both their expertise

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Cleveland show

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
Last night's episode was very interesting. Brian was trying to win over Quagmire's friendship and Quagmire told him off. Not just a little bit but ripped him a new one. It was such a hardcore rip that it wasn't funny but serious. I think it took the show to a different level dramatically. On Mon,

[scifinoir2] Gaming can't keep up with hot '08

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
October sales drop 19% in 7th monthly decline, stirring holiday anxiety. http://apaisoog.notlong.com

[scifinoir2] Spoilers! (Spoiling for a fight)

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
Suddenly everybody expects to be warned of plot spoilers. Soylent Green is people! Read Madrid 3, Barcelona 2! Fredo ordered the hit! It was all a dream! The people who raised him weren't his real parents! Ed Norton is fighting himself! Racer X is Speed Racer's brother! Vader is Luke's f

[scifinoir2] Your A-Z guide to "Twilight"

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
A is for Arizona. We'll start out our list in the same place as the books: Arizona. The book begins with Bella leaving her mom and the sunny Southwest for her dad's hometown of Forks, Wash... http://raifini.notlong.com

RE: [scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the Disempowered Heroine

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
I know how you feel, Charles. My fifteen-year-old niece already has tickets for the Wednesday showing. I didn't even think that she knew about the series until I took her to Barnes and Noble to get a couple of books for school earlier this eyar, and she went into a puddle at sight of the Twilig

RE: [scifinoir2] Fwd: o/t H1N1 Flu shots - WARNING!!!

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
Tracey, I can't really see a downside to it. I've been shot full of crap my entire life, and it hasn't done me an ounce of harm. I've been hearing from people who are certain that getting the shot will be worse than passing on it, and there are several hundred dead people who answer that questi

RE: [scifinoir2] The Obamas After Dark Funny

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
LMNAO! Who said that wearing the pants in the family was all that and a bag of chips? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.

RE: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
I know! Glad it had been awhile since I'd eaten supper before watching, or I would've been hugging porcelain! "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@

RE: [scifinoir2] Batman and Secret Saturdays on Cartoon Network Now

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
That sounds sweet! "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:07:27 + Subjec

Re: [scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the Disempowered Heroine

2009-11-23 Thread Charles Sheehan-Miles
Knowing that my 10 year old daughter is going to insist on me taking her to go see this when I get back home this weekend, I'm trying to keep an open mind. But I must admit: I find myself steering her as much as possible to other heroines. As in, heroines who do something. It's been a losing battl

RE: [scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the Disempowered Heroine

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
Another symptom of the Dumbing-Down of Humanity, IMO. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: sincere1...@gmail.com Date: Mon, 23

RE: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Martin Baxter
LMNAATWO!!! And I'll be posting this on the front door, in case we do have company. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: blackscifihorror

[scifinoir2] Re: Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread B Smith
The list reminds me of the big holiday bashes when my grandparents and mother were still with us. I swear one of my aunts built a damned Tupperware set piece by piece. Good times. My sister holds court over the divine madness that is Thanksgiving and Christmas now but we won't be able to make i

[scifinoir2] Re: The Cleveland show

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
You are right about Brian and his on-going lust for Lois. Now THAT is wrong on so many levels! - which is the demented genius of Seth MacFarlane. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus wrote: > > i kind of like the wisdom of the bear...but that stays inline with peter >

[scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
Please don't misconstrue my muddled musing. I specifically waited a day to respond to your original post because I did not want my post to be construed as an attack on you, which it is not. I primarily wanted to convey my ongoing ambivalence about this. For instance, I created a character som

Re: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Have fun! I always go home to Texas for Christmas (my fav holiday) so I get the family thing then. Hard now that both parents are gone, and my two older brothers don't travel around and visit family like I do. So I usually spend all day at my older brother's, and it's him, my wife, me, and my

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Yipes, I ain't touching that Pentecostal minister thing! I don't know from them and their carnal desires. You can have both you know: a life in the pulpit, and one of wordly enjoyment--within reason of course!  :) - Original Message - From: "Kelwyn" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Cleveland show

2009-11-23 Thread Augustus Augustus
i kind of like the wisdom of the bear...but that stays inline with peter having brian in the house.  i am still hopeful that the show picks up the same kind of audience the family guy has though. --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Kelwyn wrote: From: Kelwyn Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Cleavland show To:

Re: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Augustus Augustus
well Keith, since i have 2 put up with it with going 2 my brother-in-law's house in marietta this year (Number One and I hosted last year), i will take some pic's 4 u.  as 4 the cakes and pies, u watch your sugar and if YOUR Number One is not around, i slip u are one. --- On Mon, 11/23/09, Kei

[scifinoir2] Re: The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
Oh, one more thing about "The Cleveland Show" - the theme song lyrics originally included the following words:"Happy black-guy face" which was replaced with "happy mustached face" to make the song more racially sensitive. I happen to think "Happy black-guy face" is funnier and having to be "rac

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
I disagree. We have to look all horses in the mouth, else, how do we grow? It's still an issue if a movie puts forth some images that are positive, crushes other negative ones, yet perpetuates other negative stereotypes. To me, that's like saying that back in the 80s and 90s when black men sta

[scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
Vernon Jordan and I have one thing in common: we were both being groomed to be Penecostal ministers before we discovered sex...and LIKED it! (Unlike most Penecostal ministers, who have the exact same revelation, be it with girls or boys, Jordan and I had the good grace NOT to go into the mini

[scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: > > Rave, > Do I need to envision you sitting on a pleather orange sofa wearing a smoking jacket and ascot,  sipping brandy while you fondly gaze at blacklight posters of nubile, nude Sisters sporting afros and big hoop earrings, while

Re: [scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Funny stuff! My wife and I don't have relatives here in Atlanta, so rather than cook this year or going to some friends', we were thinking of going out. (The fact that I have to watch my blood sugar now didn't help, as pies and cakes were my favorite part!). My wife has long been a fan of eati

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
This is why you have to love the Internet and groups like this one! You start out with a sobering conversation on black self-hatred, and ten clicks later, it's changed to "Hookers in Space"! I'm reminded of the TV movie and series "Alien Nation", in which they showed the alien hookers standing

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Rave, I've noticed your knowledge of the more...carnal...side of life is rather extensive, and infuses your angle on culture. Even some of your brilliantly written reviews sometimes include a slant on the erotica in a flick, often giving a pass to films I abhor ("Catwoman") based on the ti

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
When I was growing up in Texas in the '60s and '70s, there was a lot of talk about colors applied to black women, be it lipstick, eye shadow, rouge, or even the color of clothing they wore . It was often felt that darker-skinned black women had no business wearing really red lipstick, for exam

[scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
I saw this post yesterday but I let my impressions stew for a day because a) I did not have this particular visceral response to the movie - not having read the book, I thought all the casting was spot on perfect (b) the light/dark dichotomy impacted me only vis-a-vis Precious' daydreams (c) alt

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
But the point is, the book's author specifically crafted a teacher who wasn't light skinned. i hear you about the times, but even in thh "old days", there were darker skinned people who made a difference and deserve to be showcased. This really is about Daniels' prejudices, which will show

[scifinoir2] Re: The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
I have only seen one episode of "The Cleveland Show" and I found it both quietly subversive and benignly derivative. For instance, Cleveland's stepson Ralio has Stewie potential but the preternaturally wise prepubescent is a black sitcom staple ("Different Strokes"'s Arnold, "Webster"'s Emman

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Keith Johnson
Well, I at least give Daniels credit for acknowledging his own prejudices. We all have them: the problem is those who don't confront and try to change them. I try very consciously to ask myself why I feel certain ways and then analyze the root of those feelings. I'm always struck by the odd fo

[scifinoir2] Thanksgiving Dinner

2009-11-23 Thread Augustus Augustus
10 RULES FOR THANKSGIVING DINNER AT MY HOUSE 1. Don't get in line asking questions about the food. "Who made the  potato salad? Is it egg in there? Are the greens fresh? Is the meat  in the greens turkey or pork? Who made the macaroni and cheese?  What kind of pie is that? Who made it? Ask on

[scifinoir2] A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires- Twilight and the Disempowered Heroine

2009-11-23 Thread sincere1906
After decades of girls' fantasy novels featuring empowered, adventurous heroines, it's perplexing that the Twilight saga, featuring insipid Bella Swann, has so thoroughly captivated a generation of teenagers. by Alyssa Rosenberg A Condemnation of Sparkly Vampires http://www.theatlantic.com/do

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Daryle Lockhart
That, my friend, is a book. Illustrate these "hooker inventions" in a setting that's "in the not too distant future" and it's a GREAT book. On Nov 23, 2009, at 8:24 AM, Kelwyn wrote: Lipstick is a subject that amuses me mightily since lipstick was first worn by prostitutes to advertise

[scifinoir2] Re: Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Kelwyn
Lipstick is a subject that amuses me mightily since lipstick was first worn by prostitutes to advertise both their expertise and their willingness to perform oral sex. Add lipstick to the long line of hooker accouterments adopted by women at large. ~rave? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr

Re: [scifinoir2] The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Augustus Augustus
agree, but remember, mom and dad are not a couple anymore.  they showed up 2gether, but that was just 4 the holiday.  but i am really enjoying how the boys are becoming friends with each other.  last weeks ep with cleveland jr was hilarious when he was talking one way and when the guy pushed him

Re: [scifinoir2] The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
I thought last night's show was funny and edgy, but I was a little bothered that the mom didn't object to the father's womanizing. It also reinforces stereotypes about black men. I am happy that I can watch black folks on tv. The Proud family was a pretty good show and had very funny moments in it

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
I think that some areas were a little more "skin sensitive" than others but I do remember some of the controversy back then. Especially when Prince, the Debarges were big. On a side topic, there was a post that I read a few months ago that asked the question should black women wear lipstick. The a

Re: [scifinoir2] The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Augustus Augustus
Mr. Worf, i like it.  although the guy who voices cleveland is white, the show is fun 2 me.  especially last night's ep about thanksgiving and his dad doing a man whom he thought was a woman.  it had a nice message bout family and spending time together.  although fox is not my best network, th

Re: [scifinoir2] Skin Color Prejudice in "Precious" Casting?

2009-11-23 Thread Daryle Lockhart
Sadly, his casting of lighter actors works because of the time the film is set in. I remember New York in the 80s very well. We don't like to discuss this, but we were a pretty color struck society then. The popular actors and singers at the time were light. It's one of the reasons Spike Le

[scifinoir2] The Cleavland show

2009-11-23 Thread Mr. Worf
Since no one has written about this show yet. This show isn't as funny as the Family guy but it is the first adult animated show with a mostly black cast. It has a feeling of being a bit forced, but some of the jokes are edgy. Has anyone watched this show yet? What are your thoughts on it? -- Br