Did you look at Cricket?
We use both Solar Winds and Cricket, Solar Winds, as you said, is great for
Trouble Shooting.
It addresses some of the shortcomings of MRTG, and is also free. 
We see the usual problems w/Cricket in the long term graphs, it tends to
summarize the stats due to the way the data is stored.
It is not exceptionally difficult to support, but you have to have moderate
to high UNIX/Scripting/PERL skills to make it worth your time.

This should get you started:
http://cricket.sourceforge.net/
http://cricket.sourceforge.net/support/doc/neta-paper/paper.html
http://www.acktomic.com/cricket/cricket.htm
http://www.acktomic.com/cricket/cricket-genRtrConfig-manual.htm




Rich Cariddi, CCNP
Network Design & Planning,
Alliance Capital Management,
212.887.2202    


-----Original Message-----
From: D N Vaidya [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:32 AM
To: 'Ben Hicks'; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Monitoring the network: Routers

Dear friends,

I am working with ISP for our own group of companies with fullfledge ISP
setup of thousands of Cisco devices. We were using MRTG but later on we
found that MRTG has some limitations and somtimes it shows falls traffic.

We started using Solarwinds evaluation version and now troubleshooting is
like a piece of cake. Only thing is it is quite costly but it is worth. It
is good in it that u can have web interface for monitoring so no restriction
of monitoring console.

Sincerely,
D.N.Vaidya

-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Hicks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:19 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: FW: Monitoring the network: Routers




If you're willing to spend the time, but not the cash, MRTG will be the way
to go.
It's free but to get it working on a win2k box can take a bit of time, if
you haven't done it before. You can get some nice results from it, and it's
fully customisable. You will have to experiment with SNMP requests to get
the information you need.

Something like Orion will work out of the box. It will monitor everything
you need, and it will provide you with wizards to help get everything setup.
Not only will it monitor your routers, but it can also monitor any device
that supports SNMP - IE servers. All this does come at a price though. If
memory servers me correctly I think the lowest version is about ?1500. This
runs with an access backend.

So really it depends on how much you want to spend. If you have the cash,
and don't want to spend a lot of time messing around, go with Orion. If you
don't have the money and you don't minde spending quite a bit of time, go
with MRTG or RRDB (MRTGs big brother)

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: stephen at unix dot za dot net [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 15 July 2003 11:50
To: Potter, Tim
Cc: Nick Benigno; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Monitoring the network: Routers



well i dont know too much about routers and that, but i spose i'm never
gonna get anywhere without posting, so im trying to post more often now ;)

surely you're router supports SNMP?

i'm not too sure on the full capabilities of SNMP, but thats what i use
for MRTG (bandwidth monitoring/usage app... makes pretty little graphs
etc).

what exactly are you trying to monitor?

stephen.


On Mon, 14 Jul 2003, Potter, Tim wrote:

> There are some free ones, but if you are looking for features and slick
> setup, interfaces, charts, etc. you can go cheap with SolarWinds.
> We use it and it works great.  A standalone license to monitor unlimited
> devices is about $995.
> However, it doesn't report traffic type that I am aware of.
> www.solarwinds.net
> Check out the Engineer's edition toolset.
> -Tim
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Benigno [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2003 2:10 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Monitoring the network: Routers
>
>
> I am interesting in getting some ideas as to which packages are out
> there and recommended to monitor a router.
>
> Like the following stats:(in real-time)
>
> CPU Utilization
> Bandwidth Utilization
> Packet Count
> Packets in Error
> Type of Traffic
>
> It would have to be able to work with:
> 1> Intel Express Routers(frame relay) ie 9515
> 2> Netopia/Caymen Routers(dsl/sdsl/idsl) ie r3100
> 3> Cisco Routers. ie2600
>
> Considering Points:
> 1>Ease of setup
> 2>Report capability
> 3>Functionality / Compatibility
>
>
> I am looking for a Windows based product, but open to other solutions as
> well.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Nick
>
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