Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-11-04 Thread Rick Hillegas
://bernd.eckenfels.net Von: security-dev im Auftrag von Rick Hillegas Gesendet: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 6:07:00 PM An: Sean Mullan ; security-dev@openjdk.java.net Betreff: Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18 Thanks for your detailed comments

Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-11-03 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
exploit now possible with JDK 18 Thanks for your detailed comments, Sean. We agree wholeheartedly that being signed and being trusted/valid are two separate concepts. The JDK wisely punts the issue of trust to the application developer. As I understand it, we disagree about the following points: 1) Is

Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-11-03 Thread Rick Hillegas
Thanks for your detailed comments, Sean. We agree wholeheartedly that being signed and being trusted/valid are two separate concepts. The JDK wisely punts the issue of trust to the application developer. As I understand it, we disagree about the following points: 1) Is the signedness of a jar

Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-11-02 Thread Sean Mullan
Hello Rick, It is behaving as expected. Let me explain in more detail. First, loading a signed JAR off the classpath only verifies the signature and digests of the JAR file. It does not validate the signer's certificate chain or determine if the signer is trusted. The JarFile API class descripti

Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-10-29 Thread Rick Hillegas
On 10/29/21 4:58 AM, Alan Bateman wrote: On 28/10/2021 20:14, Rick Hillegas wrote: As a canary in the mineshaft, I built and tested Apache Derby with the recent build 18-ea+20-1248 of Open JDK 18. I tripped across the following issue when running Derby's regression tests. The problem is explai

Re: previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-10-29 Thread Alan Bateman
On 28/10/2021 20:14, Rick Hillegas wrote: As a canary in the mineshaft, I built and tested Apache Derby with the recent build 18-ea+20-1248 of Open JDK 18. I tripped across the following issue when running Derby's regression tests. The problem is explained in more detail at https://issues.apac

previously prevented exploit now possible with JDK 18

2021-10-28 Thread Rick Hillegas
As a canary in the mineshaft, I built and tested Apache Derby with the recent build 18-ea+20-1248 of Open JDK 18. I tripped across the following issue when running Derby's regression tests. The problem is explained in more detail at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DERBY-7126, where a simp