Hi,
Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
Deploying James in Tomcat or Jetty might look odd to some. And it
really in a way is since there is no HTTP based functionality in
James.
But this deployment would m
On Feb 3, 2008 9:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
> on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
> Deploying James in Tomcat or Jetty might look odd to some. And it
> really in a way is si
On Feb 3, 2008 9:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do others think?
Long overdue.
My opinion in the past was that James should be deployable in a J2EE
container but I always envisaged that as EJB's and JCA in an EAR
rather than at the WAR level. But if you can do it then g
Danny Angus wrote:
On Feb 3, 2008 9:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What do others think?
Long overdue.
My opinion in the past was that James should be deployable in a J2EE
container but I always envisaged that as EJB's and JCA in an EAR
rather than at the WAR level. But if
> What do others think?
I think that:
- The Web container is the wrong container
- We should be doing OSGi, not Spring
- None of this has anything to do with improving JAMES for mainstream use
But have fun, as long as you don't break JAMES and/or introduce overhead.
:-)
--- Noel
On Feb 5, 2008 5:56 AM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What do others think?
>
> I think that:
>
> - The Web container is the wrong container
One has to get used to it. ;-)
> - We should be doing OSGi, not Spring
+0 for starting a pure OSGi deployment. This is such a massive
Bernd Fondermann wrote:
> > - The Web container is the wrong container
> One has to get used to it. ;-)
Oh, please, I spend more time in the web container than you do awake. :-p
Still doesn't make the web container the right place to embed a fairly heavy
mail server, as opposed to providing a
Embeding james in databases is not as silly as you seem to think, Dan
Debruner proposed embeding james in derby a couple of years ago.
Admins want to run the products they know, and as little else as
possible.
On 2/6/08, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bernd Fondermann wrote:
>
> > >
> Embeding james in databases is not as silly as you seem to think, Dan
> Debruner proposed embeding james in derby a couple of years ago.
> Admins want to run the products they know, and as little else as
> possible.
That's generally down to laziness, not good architecture. And it can hamper
ot
On Feb 7, 2008 10:36 PM, Steve Brewin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote on 07 February 2008 00:14:
> > > Embeding james in databases is not as silly as you seem to
> > think, Dan
> > > Debruner proposed embeding james in derby a couple of years ago.
> > > Admins want to run the pro
Noel J. Bergman wrote on 07 February 2008 00:14:
> > Embeding james in databases is not as silly as you seem to
> think, Dan
> > Debruner proposed embeding james in derby a couple of years ago.
> > Admins want to run the products they know, and as little else as
> > possible.
>
> That's generally
On Feb 3, 2008 4:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
> on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
> Deploying James in Tomcat or Jetty might look odd to some. And it
> really in a way is since ther
On 2/8/08, Serge Knystautas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 3, 2008 4:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
> > on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
> > Deploying James in Tomcat or Jet
On Feb 7, 2008 12:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That's generally down to laziness, not good architecture.
I don't think its fair to characterize the perfectly reasonable desire
to minimise the admin overhead of systems, and the size of the skills
base required as "laziness"
Hi,
On Feb 3, 2008 11:51 AM, Bernd Fondermann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
> on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
> [...]
> What do others think?
>From my perspective and use cases I mostly care about James
On Feb 8, 2008 8:27 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From my perspective and use cases I mostly care about James being
> modular and easily embeddable.
You're not the only one, there are many many use-cases that see James
embedded to provide the embedor with high quality adaptable m
On Feb 8, 2008 3:17 AM, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2008 12:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > That's generally down to laziness, not good architecture.
>
> I don't think its fair to characterize the perfectly reasonable desire
> to minimise the admin ov
On 2/8/08, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 8:27 AM, Jukka Zitting <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > From my perspective and use cases I mostly care about James being
> > modular and easily embeddable.
+1
> You're not the only one, there are many many use-cases that see Jam
On Feb 8, 2008 3:20 PM, Serge Knystautas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 3:17 AM, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Feb 7, 2008 12:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > That's generally down to laziness, not good architecture.
> >
> > I don't think its
On Feb 9, 2008 7:09 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 3:20 PM, Serge Knystautas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Feb 8, 2008 3:17 AM, Danny Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Feb 7, 2008 12:14 AM, Noel J. Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > T
Am Sonntag, den 03.02.2008, 10:51 +0100 schrieb Bernd Fondermann:
> Hi,
>
> Triggered by recent posts by Jukka and others, I am starting to work
> on a spring-deployment based web archive (WAR) deployment.
> Deploying James in Tomcat or Jetty might look odd to some. And it
> really in a way is si
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