Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-02-03 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 2/1/07, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know who is doing this really successfully and even made it a key upselling point? I imagine there are even performance numbers for it. I know I'm speaking heresy... yeh (but i'm trying to learn as little as possible about it). i

Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-02-01 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1/31/07, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the resources that i think are of interest are emails, meta-data about emails, collections of emails and meta-data about collections of emails. these concepts already have natural correspondents in HTTP and WebDAV U/F it looks like

Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-02-01 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
You know who is doing this really successfully and even made it a key upselling point? I imagine there are even performance numbers for it. I know I'm speaking heresy... had a talk with some of the DAV folks last year. AIUI the right way to do it would be to standardize a small amount of

Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-31 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1/28/07, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RESTfulness is a red herring. not so much a red herring as an orthogonal kipper ;-) yes, i admit i used a lie of juxaposition It is not lack of RESTfulness that makes IMAP suck. It is that it is a complex and inspecific protocol with

Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
smooth operation means being able to feed information about changes back to the client which needs a little more thought With HTTP 1.1 persistent connections this is possible and still allows some of that pool magic. It can be a configurational pain (timeouts on routers and stuff) but

Re: AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-29 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
RESTfulness is a red herring. It is not lack of RESTfulness that makes IMAP suck. It is that it is a complex and inspecific protocol with laborious requirements on the server that are better reserved for the client (such as N level mime parsing where N 1). Also POLL is not necessarily

RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-27 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1/25/07, Serge Knystautas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/24/07, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 1/23/07, Serge Knystautas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I would suggest looking briefly at the raw IMAP protocol. It makes the protocol nasty, but every command gets a

AW: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-27 Thread Jürgen Hoffmann
Hi Robert, and who would want that sort of feature, when he can have imap? RSS/Atom is more for webapps, which want to inform a user of site updates. This was only invented because there is no such feature as imap there... kind regards Juergen -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: robert

Re: RESTful email [WAS Re: MailboxManager API and session orientation was: Jsieve Configuration]

2007-01-27 Thread robert burrell donkin
On 1/27/07, Jürgen Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Robert, and who would want that sort of feature, when he can have imap? IMAP is a great example of a very bad protocol totally unsuitable for the internet RSS/Atom is more for webapps, which want to inform a user of site updates.