Re: [Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread James Cameron
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 06:44:47PM -0500, Samuel Greenfeld wrote: > The following are my personal views, and not that of my previous or > current employers. Same. Disclosure statement: OLPC pays me for work, and OLPC may benefit from XSCE, directly or indirectly. It is in my interest. > 1. At

Re: [Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 4:14 PM, George Hunt wrote: > Organizationally, I think there's a lot more leverage staying within the > laptop.org fold, as long as it still exists. We don't need to repeat > disconnects, and bad feelings, when there are really no egos involved. We > have few enough people

Re: [Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
The following are my personal views, and not that of my previous or current employers. 1. At least for the near-term, all laptop.org hosting seems to be in stasis. It is not likely to go away, but without additional help it is not likely to be kept up-to-date and/or improved. My per

Re: [Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread George Hunt
Organizationally, I think there's a lot more leverage staying within the laptop.org fold, as long as it still exists. We don't need to repeat disconnects, and bad feelings, when there are really no egos involved. We have few enough people and resources that any dilution is a bad strategy. I think

Re: [Server-devel] Feedback: Problems with XSCE

2013-11-29 Thread Jerry Vonau
Funny you just described the situation that I was dealing with in Australia, very centralized administration with some of the lower level IT people having no clue on the design of there infrastructure. Let's not forget the need to function with proxies that my require userid/passwords. Avahi add

Re: [Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread David Farning
On Fri, Nov 29, 2013 at 7:13 AM, George Hunt wrote: > This is a more related to Samuel Greenfeld's comments than the XSCE > documentation/install thread from which I branch. > > I think it makes sense to grab off of laptop.org all the essential stuff and > put it some new place. We don't know the

Re: [Server-devel] Feedback: Problems with XSCE

2013-11-29 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
Apart from on a flat network, we are not going to solve the problem of working on "corporate-style" school networks using Avahi. That presumes you can get multicast support working across the desired region. The equivalent for larger networks would be DNS service records, presuming you can get pe

Re: [Server-devel] [crazy idea] Supporting basic mobile phones

2013-11-29 Thread Anish Mangal
After a quick glance, this doesn't look like an infrastructure device, but a client one. i.e. you could use it to connect your XSCE to internet through GSM. This can already be accomplished by widely available GSM modems that come with standard serial interfaces. I guess the reason this particular

Re: [Server-devel] [crazy idea] Supporting basic mobile phones

2013-11-29 Thread Tim Moody
This was in the morning mail. http://arduino.cc/en/Main/ArduinoGSMShield. I guess there are a few others as well. Tim ___ Server-devel mailing list Server-devel@lists.laptop.org http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/server-devel

[Server-devel] Does XSCE need a new Home?

2013-11-29 Thread George Hunt
This is a more related to Samuel Greenfeld's comments than the XSCE documentation/install thread from which I branch. I think it makes sense to grab off of laptop.org all the essential stuff and put it some new place. We don't know the future, but in the present the prospect of ongoing support and

Re: [Server-devel] Feedback: Problems with XSCE

2013-11-29 Thread Jerry Vonau
I agree that deployment on preexisting networks has not really been given any attention given the long standing issues that have been ticketed in the past[1][2]. I like the idea of using avahi to advertise the "schoolserver's" services offered, just need to address the sugar side[3][4]. The chan

Re: [Server-devel] Feedback: Problems with XSCE

2013-11-29 Thread Samuel Greenfeld
I think you need to be careful how you phrase that -- you just half implied that all laptop.org hosting is going away. There has been a fair amount of fear that resources may suddenly disappear, and I have been concerned about fragmentation where hosting of resources ends up all over the place. I

Re: [Server-devel] Feedback: Problems with XSCE

2013-11-29 Thread James Cameron
I agree with John. Every point in his documentation section should be handled. Especially the point about wiki.laptop.org, which has so many distracting links on the navigation bar that we are all used to, but which new people become lost in. With regard to forums, the type that Google Groups ha