Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg
Yes, if you read between the lines of my email, you’ll see that I acknowledge that the design goals have changed in the last six years … it’s why I think a reanalysis might actually be prudent. We’ve learned a lot. Part of the reason the BRs are currently so domain-control centric is that man

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Aaron Gable via Servercert-wg
Tim, The historic thought to which you refer -- that proof of ownership is stronger than proof of control -- has been clearly shown to be incorrect. Nearly all of the proof of ownership methods require communication with a Domain Contact, and all of the methods of discovering and communicating wit

Re: [Servercert-wg] Discussion Period Begins - Ballot SC-080 V1: "Sunsetting use of WHOIS to identify Domain Contacts"

2024-09-24 Thread Clint Wilson via Servercert-wg
Hi Ryan, Both of these objectives are valuable outcomes to pursue, from my perspective. Regarding Objective 2, I think a shorter timeline for an effective date is desirable, especially in relation to 3.2.2.4.2’s inclusion of Fax, SMS, and Postal Mail as communication mediums for domain validati

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Ryan Dickson via Servercert-wg
I think this ( https://docs.google.com/document/d/1aJiOzYVTpoAPVWDucnp20cTO2PR_cRsHncvkhlrcR10/edit) might be the document Tim referenced in his last message. At some point, it seems to have fallen to the perils of public doc comment access. I was unable to find a detailed recounting of the discus

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg
The summit was March 2018, that might help find more. The validation subcommittee’s mailing list has a lot of information around that time. Perhaps someone else has more time to track down the notes, etc. I know there was a large Google doc at some point. -Tim From: Mike Shaver Sent

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Mike Shaver via Servercert-wg
On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 11:49 AM Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg < servercert-wg@cabforum.org> wrote: > I’d suggest people review the notes from the validation summit we had > about five years ago as a really good resource for learning some of the > complexity in this area. > Do you have a link t

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Tim Hollebeek via Servercert-wg
This analysis is just fundamentally wrong, as the premise that “the 3.2.2.4 validation methods are only valid if they prove control of the domain name” is wrong. The actual design criteria that the 3.2.2.4 methods were based on is “OWNS or controls”. Historically, the ‘control’ methods were

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Andrew Ayer via Servercert-wg
On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 07:48:00 + Martijn Katerbarg via Servercert-wg wrote: > >I also wanted to ask in general, why does WHOIS based validation not > >fall under the same rules as a delegated third party for domain > >validation? > > In my personal opinion (but perhaps others have a different

Re: [Servercert-wg] 回复: Voting Period Begins: Ballot SC-078 - Subject organizationName alignment for DBA / Assumed Name

2024-09-24 Thread Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg
Hi, This vote can´t be counted because this person has no voting rights for the servercert WG. Please, review if Xinling Cui should also have voting rights for iTrusChina considered that is member of the WG. Regards De: Servercert-wg En nombre de ??? via Servercert-wg Enviado el: lu

Re: [Servercert-wg] Discussion Period Begins: Ballot SC-078 - Subject organizationName alignment for DBA / Assumed Name

2024-09-24 Thread Inigo Barreira via Servercert-wg
Hi, This vote can´t be counted because it´s sent based on the discussion period and not on the voting period. Regards De: Servercert-wg En nombre de ??? via Servercert-wg Enviado el: martes, 24 de septiembre de 2024 6:22 Para: CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List

Re: [Servercert-wg] Voting Period Begins: Ballot SC-078 - Subject organizationName alignment for DBA / Assumed Name

2024-09-24 Thread Backman, Antti via Servercert-wg
Telia votes ’Yes’ on Ballot SC-078 //Antti From: Servercert-wg on behalf of Martijn Katerbarg via Servercert-wg Date: Tuesday, 17. September 2024 at 16.20 To: CA/B Forum Server Certificate WG Public Discussion List Subject: [Servercert-wg] Voting Period Begins: Ballot SC-078 - Subject o

Re: [Servercert-wg] Transitive Trust and DCV (was Re: Ballot SC-080 V1)

2024-09-24 Thread Martijn Katerbarg via Servercert-wg
Hi Amir, >I also wanted to ask in general, why does WHOIS based validation not fall >under the same rules as a delegated third party for domain validation? In my personal opinion (but perhaps others have a different opinion on this), because there needs to be a source of truth, for the same r