Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Pieter Mees
In fact, I said that because I already noticed the AOT compiler uses it. A modularized AOT would have a hard time implementing the sequence of the current AOT compiler exactly the same way. If the AOT compiler does not know what an optimization module actually does, it can't use it in custom loops.

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Dennis Hayes
Mono does a release every month or three. This is from the last release (1.2.4) Work to support C# 3.0 has started, this release includes: C# 3.0 Extension methods implemented by Marek Safar. Anonymous Method generic type inferencing by Marek Safar. Lambda Expressions, im

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread William Lahti
Yeah, I put a lot of effort into Scott's message before I realized the thread had grown larger than I thought. What Chriss said sums up much of my points. > Where optimizations in the block/SSA domain could be sequentially > executed and the sequence repeated until the code no longer changes. Thi

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread William Lahti
On 8/28/07, Scott Balmos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: > > I'd like to make a few proposals. > > > > 1) We establish a loose but workable team structure which includes conflict > > resolution. > > > > > Someone will probably say this already exists. I don't know. My ma

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread William Lahti
yeah, Linux only, with Kate, Nant, Mono/GMCS, Reflector/monop2, on my tool belt. On 8/29/07, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Linux+MonoDevelop all the time :) > > I see mono is working on C# 3.0 with LINQ etc. How far along is it? > > > >

Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name

2007-08-29 Thread William Lahti
I'm kind of hashing around the whole flurry of threads as of recently, as I've come in late. On 8/29/07, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm really interested in this project too, but don't know any assembly, > > can only help in the c#/non assembly parts and infrastructural

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Johann MacDonagh
Here was my original idea for the AOT compiler. I started work on this before Chriss came in and showed off his work. And then as time flew by (and I was assigned to three research projects this semester), I completely ran out of time and energy to keep this project running. Anyway, my ide

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Linux+MonoDevelop all the time :) I see mono is working on C# 3.0 with LINQ etc. How far along is it? - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search l

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Maciej Jagiello
Hello :) > How active are you guys? :) I'm mostly inactive lazy fellow lurking once in a while. > Where is everyone located? Italy, though I'm not Italian. > I understand several people her are using MonoDevelop. Is anyone here > working with SharpOS on Linux or non Windows? > Linux+MonoDev

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Darx Kies
Hi I am using mainly windows but linux as well when there is mono stuff to be tested. Chriss. Bruce wrote: > xfury/William runs only Linux. > I think Chriss is mostly on Windows... > > On 8/29/07, *Pieter Mees* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > wrote: > > I'm on Windows, but

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Bruce
xfury/William runs only Linux. I think Chriss is mostly on Windows... On 8/29/07, Pieter Mees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I'm on Windows, but i think some are on Linux. A snippet from the AOT: > > if (Environment.OSVersion.Platform == PlatformID.Unix) { > // Linux/UNIX s

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Darx Kies
Hi Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu wrote: >> So what we would need now is volunteers to write the documentation. >> Anyone? >> > > I already volunteered on some - but you have to be part of it. And I have > bigger thoughts on AOT as well... In fact let me try to do a prototype with > Matthijs on seom

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> Well I agree that AOT and its optimizations should be modular. But I > think that most of the code can be salvaged for this purpose. Absolutely code can be used. > I see it this way: > > Read IL (fixed) -> Transform to blocks (fixed) -> Block optimizations > (modular) -> Transform to SSA (fixe

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Pieter Mees
Well I agree that AOT and its optimizations should be modular. But I think that most of the code can be salvaged for this purpose. I see it this way: Read IL (fixed) -> Transform to blocks (fixed) -> Block optimizations (modular) -> Transform to SSA (fixed) -> SSA optimizations (modular) -> Regis

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> So what we would need now is volunteers to write the documentation. > Anyone? I already volunteered on some - but you have to be part of it. And I have bigger thoughts on AOT as well... In fact let me try to do a prototype with Matthijs on seomthing. > Or perhaps we should all gather on IRC for

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Darx Kies
Pieter Mees wrote: > Chriss, > > I don't think anyone here is questioning your contributions. I for one > think you've done a great job with developing something like the AOT. > Due to the very fact that we don't understand how it really works (yet), > makes it impossible for us to check how good i

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Pieter Mees
I'm on Windows, but i think some are on Linux. A snippet from the AOT: if (Environment.OSVersion.Platform == PlatformID.Unix) { // Linux/UNIX style system engine.Message(1, " - Chose UNIX/Linux filesystem creator"); ...

[SharpOS Developers] Tools, OS etc

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
I understand several people her are using MonoDevelop. Is anyone here working with SharpOS on Linux or non Windows? -- Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu "Programming is an art form that fights back" http://www.KudzuWorld.com/ http://www.Woo-Hoo.net/ http://www.DelphiToDotNet.com/ --

Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> I'm really interested in this project too, but don't know any assembly, > can only help in the c#/non assembly parts and infrastructural stuff > regarding the project That's ok. There is so much to do that doesn't require knowledge of ASM. -

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> I don't think anyone here is questioning your contributions. I for one > think you've done a great job with developing something like the AOT. After some pretty hefty review I have some pretty hefty thoughts on AOT. But Id like to talk to Chris 1:1 and get some more backgrounders before spewing

Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name

2007-08-29 Thread Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu
> I live in the netherlands, capelle aan den ijssel to be exact > (=practically rotterdam, rotterdam metro even has several stops here) I'll be there in about 3 weeks. Any chance you are going to SDC in Papendaal? - This SF

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Welcome to the"SharpOS-Developers" mailing list

2007-08-29 Thread Matthijs ter Woord
Extreme west of Germany ;-) - Original Message - From: "Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:11 AM Subject: Re: [SharpOS Developers] Welcome to the"SharpOS-Developers" mailing list > Ok great. I have several TechEd's and other conferences

Re: [SharpOS Developers] about sharpws / keymap (2nd attempt)

2007-08-29 Thread Sander van Rossen
Well this time i -did- receive my own email this time.. don't know why i didn't get it the last time.. The 2nd attempt also shows up in the archives properly this time.. sourceforge glitch? On 8/29/07, Pieter Mees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's normal that you don't receive your own mails from

Re: [SharpOS Developers] about sharpws / keymap (2nd attempt)

2007-08-29 Thread Pieter Mees
It's normal that you don't receive your own mails from the mailing list. I believe you can configure this in your subscription on SF. I received that mail on Tuesday. Insite Mees-Delbeke VOF Zomerstraat 29A 9270 Laarne Telefoon: 09 367 96 34 GSM: 0478 44 96 04 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Site: http:

[SharpOS Developers] about sharpws / keymap (2nd attempt)

2007-08-29 Thread Sander van Rossen
Odd... i send this email to the mailing list a couple of days ago.. but it never returned to me (is that normal behaviour?) On the other hand i can see the title of the mail on the sourceforge mailing list page, but the mail itself doesn't show up when i click it and browse trough all the emails...

Re: [SharpOS Developers] Proposal

2007-08-29 Thread Pieter Mees
Chriss, I don't think anyone here is questioning your contributions. I for one think you've done a great job with developing something like the AOT. Due to the very fact that we don't understand how it really works (yet), makes it impossible for us to check how good it really is. So we can't comme

Re: [SharpOS Developers] SharpOS name

2007-08-29 Thread Sander van Rossen
I live in the netherlands, capelle aan den ijssel to be exact (=practically rotterdam, rotterdam metro even has several stops here) On 8/28/07, Chad Z. Hower aka Kudzu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Also again. :) > > Could everyone enumerate where they are located? :) > > > > --