[Shorewall-users] Shorewall and RipV2

2008-03-24 Thread Adrian Chapela
Hello! I am doing some implementation about tunneling and routing protocols. Tunneling is no problem with shorewall but Rip, OSPF, BGP aren't supported "by default". I am thinking about Quagga which has a RIP daemon.Has someone any tips for the implementation ?? I think I can doing routing wit

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 00:55 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Do it as a heartbeat resource script. That'll be pretty near > transparent to shorewall, and farm all the hard work out to heartbeat. Hrm. Maybe my use of HA was misleading. I meant HA of multiple Internet connections, not multiple S

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 15:42 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > > So long as I am running the Shorewall project, there will be no such > monitor included in the product. Heh. That's about the level of reception I was expecting. :-) > Any piece of software that monitors > state and reacts to changes b

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Sun, 2008-03-23 at 15:42 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: I'll be happy to link to anyone's site that hosts such a monitor project, provided that the project does it's own support. That's fair, and perhaps a workable solution. Perhaps such a project could leverage on the c

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
[ Not sure my CC to -devel will actually propagate but I will give it a go ] On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 07:50 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > > Sure. Feel free. OK. > I would like eventually to get Shorewall entirely out of the routing > business because I really think that routing should be controlled

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:24:16AM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 00:55 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > > > Do it as a heartbeat resource script. That'll be pretty near > > transparent to shorewall, and farm all the hard work out to heartbeat. > > Hrm. Maybe my use of H

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:09:55AM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > But yes, I agree that > policy routing and general firewalling are only very loosely related if > at all and only by nature of the firewalling rules marking packets for > policy routing. The underlying problem is that shorewall's

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 15:13 +, Andrew Suffield wrote: > > Oh, yes, I habitually assume that you can't possibly do HA in one box > (because you can't really, I get dead motherboards about as frequently > as I get dead internet connections). Ahhh. Your experience is different than mine. I fin

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Brian J. Murrell wrote: I would like eventually to get Shorewall entirely out of the routing business because I really think that routing should be controlled separately from the firewall. There is no earthly reason why restarting the firewall should have to rebuild the policy routing configur

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:39:28AM -0400, Brian J. Murrell wrote: > > No idea if it makes any sense with one box (insofar as that makes any > > sense at all) - I'd never try, a second box is the cheapest element of > > the setup. > > But you first have to solve my basic problem: adjusting to Inter

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 09:06 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > > Sorry -- I meant '-n'. Hrm. 4.0.6 doesn't document a "-n" option either. But it's moot for my purposes given the comment at the bottom. > It may need to be cooperative where Shorewall creates the overall > infrastructure and the policy

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 09:06 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: Sorry -- I meant '-n'. Hrm. 4.0.6 doesn't document a "-n" option either. shorewall-lite help (the man page doesn't document it :-( ) -Tom -- Tom Eastep\ Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool Sh

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Brian J. Murrell wrote: If you remove policy routing from Shorewall, does Shorewall need the mangle table for anything else? Is policy routing handled anywhere else in netfilter other than the mangle table? I'm trying to judge the feasibility of actually achieving the goal. Shorewall also n

Re: [Shorewall-users] Shorewall and xen

2008-03-24 Thread Hristo Benev
> Оригинално писмо >От: Tom Eastep <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Относно: Re: [Shorewall-users] Shorewall and xen >До: Shorewall Users >Изпратено на: Понеделник, 2008, Март 24 04:16:58 EET >-- > >Hristo Benev wrote: >> This is not my first setu

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 09:36 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > > Shorewall also needs it for traffic shaping. There are some things that > you can do with iptables that you cannot do with u32 filters. Right. But you were to draw a line between Shorewall and "Routing and Shaping", does Shorewall need th

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Brian J. Murrell wrote: On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 09:36 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: Shorewall also needs it for traffic shaping. There are some things that you can do with iptables that you cannot do with u32 filters. Right. But you were to draw a line between Shorewall and "Routing and Shaping", do

Re: [Shorewall-users] HA routing monitor

2008-03-24 Thread Brian J. Murrell
On Mon, 2008-03-24 at 10:09 -0700, Tom Eastep wrote: > > No. So that seems to be an interesting delineation point that meets with your desires for Shorewall. If a Routing and Shapping package were to use the mangle table exclusively then it should be able to co-exist with Shorewall without one o

Re: [Shorewall-users] Shorewall and xen

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Hristo Benev wrote: > > Sorry I was not really clear. I'm little bit confused by Xen Networking, so I may have some interfaces that are not used. Basically I'm trying to limit the access from net to DMZ to certain ports only. > Initially my DomU machine (lets call it Mail) with IP x.x.x.16

Re: [Shorewall-users] Shorewall and RipV2

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Adrian Chapela wrote: Hello! I am doing some implementation about tunneling and routing protocols. Tunneling is no problem with shorewall but Rip, OSPF, BGP aren't supported "by default". I guess I don't know what you mean by that. Shorewall doesn't admit any traffic 'by default' -- you hav

Re: [Shorewall-users] Shorewall and RipV2

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Tom Eastep wrote: If you mean configure multiple ISPs with shorewall and then run quagga with RIPv2, I have no idea what will happen. But I suspect that Quagga will only update the main routing table in reaction to changes in the network topology. And will only propagate changes to the m

[Shorewall-users] Xen routed Dom0 - DMZ issue

2008-03-24 Thread Werner van Staden
Dear list, I have several years' experience with Bering Firewall and have configured Shorewall a dozen times in different setups. The issue I am facing has to do with the Xen routed context as outlined at http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay-Routed.html I have a similar working setup without the w

Re: [Shorewall-users] Xen routed Dom0 - DMZ issue

2008-03-24 Thread Tom Eastep
Werner van Staden wrote: Dear list, I have several years' experience with Bering Firewall and have configured Shorewall a dozen times in different setups. The issue I am facing has to do with the Xen routed context as outlined at http://www.shorewall.net/XenMyWay-Routed.html I have a similar