Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: Joel M. Halpern j...@joelhalpern.com To: Randy Bush ra...@psg.com Cc: sidr@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 12:25 AM I think that would help, and it is good enough for me. Thank you, Joel On 3/1/2011 6:07 PM, Randy Bush wrote: something like

Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread Randy Bush
Worded like this, with the emphasis on the consequences, would seem to include such things as inserting spurious communities, as opposed to just modifying the AS-Path in an unacceptable way. Is that the intention? It is quite a shift from the focus of 10 days ago, which I read as solely

Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread Randy Bush
i could make it something like 3.1 A BGPsec design MUST allow the receiver of an announcement to detect that one or more ASes have manipulated the AS-Path in an attempt to lure the receiver into sending traffic to an incorrect next hop. in a private email, a friend

Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread Smith, Donald
Ignorance is Bliss. Bliss (Basic Language for Implementation of System Software) was a systems programming language originally for the PDP-10 and DECsystem-20 written at CMU. K-Oberman donald.sm...@qwest.com -Original Message- From: sidr-boun...@ietf.org

Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Unfortunately, that change shifts things just enough to miss an important part of what I was hoping to achieve. While it is true that we can not know why anyone does anything, the reason we care about it is that certain kinds of path falsification can result in traffic being lured to places

Re: [sidr] SIDR ReCharter - to capture/cover path validation work

2011-03-02 Thread Randy Bush
While it is true that we can not know why anyone does anything ... The purpose of the whole exchange was to try to get a motivation into the picture a conundrum wrapped in a cabbage leaf. the draft can not meet the desires of both directions here, and the new version needs to get out. being